Human features?

[Woldy]

Tygan often says that the Alien are fused with Human DNA, you can easily see that with the Sectoid and comparing the xcom2 Muton to the Original you can see the more 'realistic' or muscleman that design was going for, but with Vipers where he destinctly states that they have "Human features" i'm a little confused, what about this 2,5 meter long monster snake makes it apparant that its got Human DNA?

[Amanoob105]

This is a joke, right? When it comes to Xcom rule 34, from what I understand (I'm not stupid enough to google this to be sure ) pretty much all of it is "snake based".

Fun fact, it is canon to the games lore that every single one of those (normal) Vipers you fight is a female of their species. You only ever encounter a single male in the entire game.

[Woldy]

Originally posted by Amanoob105:

This is a joke, right? When it comes to Xcom rule 34, from what I understand (I'm not stupid enough to google this to be sure ) pretty much all of it is "snake based".

Fun fact, it is canon to the games lore that every single one of those (normal) Vipers you fight is a female of their species. You only ever encounter a single male in the entire game.

first of all ew.
second why would it be a joke? look at the bloody thing, its literally just a snake with arms and hands. thats not exactly a 'human feature' every other alien creature we encounter has that too.

[simonhobnob]

Woldy, you have seen a snake, right?

Humans: Bipedal, have arms with hands that have opposable thumbs and are warm blooded.

Snakes: None of the above.

Vipers: have both human and snake characteristics. Hence why Tygan says they have human characteristics. Because they do.

[Woldy]

Originally posted by simonhobnob:

Woldy, you have seen a snake, right?

Humans: Bipedal, have arms with hands that have opposable thumbs and are warm blooded.

Snakes: None of the above.

Vipers: have both human and snake characteristics. Hence why Tygan says they have human characteristics. Because they do.

but why does Tygan specifically find the vipers to be disconcerting compared to something like the sectoid that looks way more human than the viper ever could?

[Rez Elwin]

The vipers don't have human DNA, the comment Tygan makes is this. "Without the introduction of human DNA, these creatures once operating under the guise of "thin men" now show their true form: a purely reptilian species."

He says "without" and "purely reptilian" So they do not have human DNA, and you must have misheard him.

[Amanoob105]

Originally posted by Woldy:

but why does Tygan specifically find the vipers to be disconcerting compared to something like the sectoid that looks way more human than the viper ever could?

OK, assuming that this isn't a joke.

That line from Tygan is simple a joke about how all the snake enemies in this game (other than the Viper king) have boobs.
Please tell me about the last time you have ever seen a snake with pair of boobies?
I'll wait .

The "in game" explanation is generally accepted to be that they are a pair of honking great venom sacks. Just ones that are located on the chest area under an armored corset.
Hence the consistent rumors about this games rule 34. Because the internet doesn't need an excuse, but gods help us all when it finds one.

[Woldy]

Originally posted by Rez Elwin:

The vipers don't have human DNA, the comment Tygan makes is this. "Without the introduction of human DNA, these creatures once operating under the guise of "thin men" now show their true form: a purely reptilian species."

He says "without" and "purely reptilian" So they do not have human DNA, and you must have misheard him.

You forget the autopsy which is what i'm mainly reffering to.
This is the whole thing "although i would expect to be more growing accustomed to seeing the clear intermingling of both human and alien genetic material, i must admit this reptilian creature with such distinctive human features is surprisingly unsettling, invasion-era reports include refrences to a species with some reptilian qualities, but nothing as readily apparent as this..."

[Woldy]

Originally posted by Amanoob105:

Originally posted by Woldy:

but why does Tygan specifically find the vipers to be disconcerting compared to something like the sectoid that looks way more human than the viper ever could?

OK, assuming that this isn't a joke.

That line from Tygan is simple a joke about how all the snake enemies in this game (other than the Viper king) have boobs.
Please tell me about the last time you have ever seen a snake with pair of boobies?
I'll wait .

The "in game" explanation is generally accepted to be that they are a pair of honking great venom sacks. Just ones that are located on the chest area under an armored corset.
Hence the consistent rumors about this games rule 34. Because the internet doesn't need an excuse, but gods help us all when it finds one.

i didnt even consider that, i just assumed that it was Body armor. didnt even think about boobs, but now that you mention it yeah, there are.
But how could that be unsettling?

[Stonehammers]

They were the "Thin Men" from the first game. That's what he meant.

[Amanoob105]

Originally posted by Woldy:

i didnt even consider that, i just assumed that it was Body armor. didnt even think about boobs, but now that you mention it yeah, there are.
But how could that be unsettling?

For that, you'd need to ask Tygan. I think the rest of us just find it a bit weird.
Also funny.
Of all the creatures in this game they could have tried to make look feminine, why is the snake monster on that list?

If you go looking in the Vipers wiki page you can find concept art clearly showing that this result was, not, an accident. The devs of this game knew what they wrought.

[simonhobnob]

Originally posted by Amanoob105:

Originally posted by Woldy:

i didnt even consider that, i just assumed that it was Body armor. didnt even think about boobs, but now that you mention it yeah, there are.
But how could that be unsettling?

For that, you'd need to ask Tygan. I think the rest of us just find it a bit weird.
Also funny.
Of all the creatures in this game they could have tried to make look feminine, why is the snake monster on that list?

If you go looking in the Vipers wiki page you can find concept art clearly showing that this result was, not, an accident. The devs of this game knew what they wrought.

I mean, it's obviously not the actual real answer - the devs wanted to make sexy+scary and someone obviously had a thing for Lamia's.

But when you find the viper king et all, Tygan and Vahlen's notes kinda suggest that the species that make up Vipers had already been MASSIVELY genetically fiddled with before Xcom 1 and certainly Xcom2.

The viper king seems to be the only male any human's seen of this species. We know that Torque's info says she was born in an egg clutch in (Alaska I think?) - so I'm beginning to wonder if the Elders agreed with Tygan when they first met Vipers and, once dominated their race, ensured viable eggs were only females to control their expansion and numbers. They also, probably, provided by them via genetic mutation and something akin to the gene template in the foundry, but stored off Earth and accessed via the portal/ sterile viper eggs that are injected with DNA to begin the development process.

We also know that it seems the Elders also have issues controlling DNA mutation and expression, even with their powers, as some beings seem to have flaws that should have been able to be removed but cannot be, possibly as they have to use human DNA as the glue to hold it all together and that forces odd expressions of traits? One of which, as Vipers are female snake aliens, means that they have boobs. And, yes, considering how far they can spit their venom? It could VERY well be that the human DNA moved the venom sacks to the front... due to a weird expression mechanic of the female genes.

[Megas Stevros]

For the record, Humans share more than 60% of their DNA with bananas. I know this to be true, for there is one part of me that looks very much like one.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/articles/how_genetically_related_are_we_to_bananas