No, there is no co-op mode

[SamBC]

Please feel free to post why you think there should, or shouldn't, be a co-op mode in this thread. Some recent threads have been merged here to keep the discussion flowing from where it was.

[Nitefallz]

Gyson eredeti hozzászólása:

Anyone suggesting co-op turn-based tactical games can't work is, well, misinformed (as there are games that have pulled it off just fine).

I just really enjoy having the option of playing fun games cooperatively with friends. If that can be done without sacrificing the single-player experience, I'm all for it. With a small team, Larian Studios and "Divinity: Original Sin" managed to make it work in a turn-based strategy game, and I'm confident that given the right approach it could work for XCOM as well.

No

[Kunovega]

Screen sharing software already exists, game is turn based. Simply share your screen with your friend and discuss tactics while playing and also sharing the screen with them.

Game doesn't need to develop its own variation of how to share a screen and cooperate when it's turn based, you can take all the time you want and any computer already has the ability to create this coop environment for yourself any time you want to.

Those of you asking for coop are asking the devs to waste time developing a system that already exists and is avialable to you any time you want it.

Here, take your choice of the many screen sharing options that already exist:
https://www.google.com/#q=screen+sharing+software+windows

Coop all you want in any single player game using this. With Xcom you would both control whatever you decide in a completely cooperative style with full screen sharing ability...

Your welcome, the game now has coop and no devs had to waste their time inventing a function already available to you

[mimizukari]

It could be amazing and make the playerbase explode if you could play with friends/randoms through campaigns, that'd be amazing.

[Kunovega]

Plutia eredeti hozzászólása:

It could be amazing and make the playerbase explode if you could play with friends/randoms through campaigns, that'd be amazing.

You can coop all you want with screensharing.

Go have your amazing time, the option already exists.

[Lethal]

If it would be too difficult for Firaxis to add co-op in campaign mode, how about a co-op skirmish mode with large open maps, objectives to complete, and the fun of talking and working out strategy with friends. You could even have a base camp that aliens would attack and you would have to figure out the strategy of defending your camp, while still completing objectives and maybe raiding a very large UFO.

Co-op is fun in almost any game if done correctly, and many old games used to have co-op. It seems that devs. have become lazy and just want to rush games to release as soon as they can, even though they are full of bugs and glitches. And then, throw out a DLC on an already over priced game that is nowhere close to being finished.

I spent many hours on Enemy Unknown, and Enemy Within and enjoyed both, but reading the user reviews on XCOM 2, I will pass and find a game that is worth purchasing.

[Kunovega]

Lethal eredeti hozzászólása:

If it would be too difficult for Firaxis to add co-op in campaign mode, how about a co-op skirmish mode with large open maps, objectives to complete, and the fun of talking and working out strategy with friends. You could even have a base camp that aliens would attack and you would have to figure out the strategy of defending your camp, while still completing objectives and maybe raiding a very large UFO.

Co-op is fun in almost any game if done correctly, and many old games used to have co-op. It seems that devs. have become lazy and just want to rush games to release as soon as they can, even though they are full of bugs and glitches. And then, throw out a DLC on an already over priced game that is nowhere close to being finished.

I spent many hours on Enemy Unknown, and Enemy Within and enjoyed both, but reading the user reviews on XCOM 2, I will pass and find a game that is worth purchasing.

If you enjoyed EU/EW then you are likely to enjoy Xcom2; it's overall a better game. I wouldn't suggest passing on it entirely, though perhaps waiting until all the DLC is released and than buying it on sale.

[Prophetic ShadeZ]

I think that a co-op would be a very interesting idea, and give xcom 2 the ability to give players control of the stories made by the resistance. If one player controlled the resistance fighters, holding off a huge alien force with very low level soldiers while xcom attempts to finish the mission could have a very satisfying co op, or 2 part mission if you don't have friends. it also could be adapted into campaigns, in any op with a timer, (the resistance holding out replaces the timer), and even the resistance player while most likely doomed to fail, can still have the satisfaction of mowing down waves and waves of advent while still being overwhelmed

[Prophetic ShadeZ]

Lethal eredeti hozzászólása:

If it would be too difficult for Firaxis to add co-op in campaign mode, how about a co-op skirmish mode with large open maps, objectives to complete, and the fun of talking and working out strategy with friends. You could even have a base camp that aliens would attack and you would have to figure out the strategy of defending your camp, while still completing objectives and maybe raiding a very large UFO.

Co-op is fun in almost any game if done correctly, and many old games used to have co-op. It seems that devs. have become lazy and just want to rush games to release as soon as they can, even though they are full of bugs and glitches. And then, throw out a DLC on an already over priced game that is nowhere close to being finished.

I spent many hours on Enemy Unknown, and Enemy Within and enjoyed both, but reading the user reviews on XCOM 2, I will pass and find a game that is worth purchasing.

the game is still very fun, and although the replayability of vanilla is unsatisfactory, the modding makes replayability so much more fun. letting you tailor the experience to what you felt was left out of the game, and the easy of which you can edit core game mechanics lets you play how you want, for as long as you want

[Evil Tactician]

SamBC eredeti hozzászólása:

deezus eredeti hozzászólása:

Because Co-op is fun. No other reason needed.

Not every game needs it, surely?

This one does. It's literally the number 1 thing that comes up when we discuss XCOM among friends or colleagues, and has since the originals. No reason why the battles can't be co-operative, with each player controlling their own soldiers.

A shared experience is double the fun for a lot of people. Just because some others don't like playing with others (or don't have friends to play with) doesn't mean there aren't many people out there who think differently.

I was actually expecting them to implement co-op just to be different. It would have made a big impact and there are some people I know who would have bought the game, but didn't at the moment. (For example, my wife would happily play co-op wth me, but has no interest in playing the game solo. We ended up compromising and play the XCOM Board Game instead.)

[Kunovega]

Evil Tactician eredeti hozzászólása:

SamBC eredeti hozzászólása:

Not every game needs it, surely?

This one does. It's literally the number 1 thing that comes up when we discuss XCOM among friends or colleagues, and has since the originals. No reason why the battles can't be co-operative, with each player controlling their own soldiers.

A shared experience is double the fun for a lot of people. Just because some others don't like playing with others (or don't have friends to play with) doesn't mean there aren't many people out there who think differently.

I was actually expecting them to implement co-op just to be different. It would have made a big impact and there are some people I know who would have bought the game, but didn't at the moment. (For example, my wife would happily play co-op wth me, but has no interest in playing the game solo. We ended up compromising and play the XCOM Board Game instead.)

xcom is turn based, you can simply share the computer or use screen sharing accross more than one comptuer and than take turns on who controls what

adding that to the game itself wouldnt change how it works but would require a massive amount of work to add something you can already do on your own any time you want to

[Avenger93]

I just love seeing page after page after page of pro-coop saying "just cause you don't like playing with friends or don't have friends doesn;t mean there shouldn't be coop" ...

No mate, I have friends, in fact I have games I routinely play with friends in coop (all the saints row games on pc, dawn of war 2, dota, L4D etc.). The reason I say firaxis should not waste time with coop for xcom 2 is simple: to do it right would requier redesigning the entire campaign from the ground up to support it. Making a strategy layer complex and robust enough to allow 2 players to coordinate 2 xcom forces in the conflict while balancing the game for 2 players taking the war to the aliens at the same time. Making the tactics layer allow for much larger force composition with different deployent rules and balanced for 2 player coop. I'd rather have them polish and build upon what they have allready given us than tear down everything just to make a coop mode.

And if you just want coop in tactical missions with your friend controlling half the squad, allow me to point you to google. Go there and type "screen sharing software" and download whatever you fancy from the results. It's a TBS game with infinite turn timer. Screen share and tell your friend that soldiers XYZ are his and he gives the orders for what they do. Or just sit there in skype with screen share discussing strategy and moves among yourselves. There you go, your vaunted coop experience allready possible. Firaxis has no reason to waste resources on this anymore.

[deathmaster snikch]

Total war Games Have co-op IMO and Total war Grand Campaings are miles more complex than Xcom IMO I think they dont do it because of engine limitations

[QrazyQuarian]

SamBC eredeti hozzászólása:

In a game with a split strategy/tactics layer? And turn-based? It can't be done simply, that I'm confident of.

I disagree. It CAN be done simply, and here's my thoughts as to why:
1.) The game is turn-based. It's easily done in Tabletop RPG's. PvP also allows two players to fight each other (albeit with a shaky system that probably needs more bug-squashing than the single player). Why can't you have two players be in co-op? Is it because the encounter tables will be off? BS. Longwar Studios built a vairant of Enemy Within where there were WAY more enemies on the map and WAY more soldiers that could be controlled. Encounter balance wouldn't be any more of an issue than if you sat down and played D&D with more than 5 people. You could also limit the number of soldiers players can bring in co-op mode.
2.) The game's split strategy/tactics layer is a little more difficult, but can be managed. The XCOM board game divvies up jobs to each player. This makes it so you and your teammate have to communicate well in order to survive. It's also possible to make it so you and your teammate each have their own bases and manage each one separately, but then when it comes to missions you both tackle them together (so if they made a 3rd game or you even adjusted it so skyrangers are long-ranged like in Enemy Unknown/Within, each respective skyranger would travel from wherever the base is to the mission).
Now, perhaps the changes I propose are difficult to implement. I'm sure they are, as no one has come out with a multiplayer mod as of yet. But it's possible to do, and the changes themselves wouldn't necessarily break the game or its rules (aside from maybe the skyranger traveling outside of a region the base is in). And it would allow me to play a great co-op game with my friends and wife. I would force my friends to buy it, and I would pay for a second copy for my wife, so Firaxis wins if they do it. If someone makes a mod for them to do it then they extra win because they didn't put any work into it. lol

[QrazyQuarian]

Chieftain Mk.3 eredeti hozzászólása:

Total war Games Have co-op IMO and Total war Grand Campaings are miles more complex than Xcom IMO I think they dont do it because of engine limitations

Hmm... That's certainly possible. They did say in an interview that you CAN mod it, but with the engine limitations it isn't likely to happen. Then again, they said that about Skyrim, and there's a great co-op mod on the Nexus website (don't know if its available in the Steam Workshop).

[QrazyQuarian]

Avenger93 eredeti hozzászólása:

I just love seeing page after page after page of pro-coop saying "just cause you don't like playing with friends or don't have friends doesn;t mean there shouldn't be coop" ...

No mate, I have friends, in fact I have games I routinely play with friends in coop (all the saints row games on pc, dawn of war 2, dota, L4D etc.). The reason I say firaxis should not waste time with coop for xcom 2 is simple: to do it right would requier redesigning the entire campaign from the ground up to support it. Making a strategy layer complex and robust enough to allow 2 players to coordinate 2 xcom forces in the conflict while balancing the game for 2 players taking the war to the aliens at the same time. Making the tactics layer allow for much larger force composition with different deployent rules and balanced for 2 player coop. I'd rather have them polish and build upon what they have allready given us than tear down everything just to make a coop mode.

What would you redesign? Long War redesigned the encounters and team composition to include more aliens and soldiers. Theoretically that could happen with a co-op game. If you're running it in co-op, there are twice as many aliens but twice as many soldiers. Not too difficult to redesign there. Even a mod would work where Firaxis does none of the work and reaps the benefits of it anyway. In terms of the stratgey later of XCOM 2, you could also realistically have two Avengers on the map, where they go and collect resources from it. Yes, there would be more resource-collecting, but you could make it so only the Avenger that collected the resource gets it. Makes for more strategy in collecting said resources. You could also make it so the monthly income is split. Slower game progression and such. Make it so they can trade resources which helps stifle the half-income bottlenecking. When it comes time to do a mission both Avengers need to go there. They both have to vote on a mission to do, and if it's split, the game picks randomly. Okay, wow. There IS a lot of stuff to redesign. My bad. But nonetheless, it can be done. Maybe by a modding community instead of Firaxis. Doesn't have to be them. It can't be me. I don't have the know-how. But Longwar Studios has redesigned the game to be eloquent and what many consider to be the better version compared to the vanilla game. Why can't multiplayer work the same way? Sure, there are plenty of good games out there that have multiplayer and we should go play them. But I love this game and would love to play actual multiplayer with my friends and my wife. Great game that could be made better if we could play together with friends and family. It's my opinion of course. And I do see your side of it. Just letting you know that I feel like it could be done.