are you supposed to ignore blacksite during the early game?

[anynamewilldo]

do you wait until you have reseached level 2 weapons and have the alloy to build them? i researched the techs necessary for the base and immediately went. i started save scumming when i hit the elite group of baddies but it just wasn't fun and i probaly wouldn't have won with the troop positions i had anyway.
and are scientist more valuable than engineers early game?
so go to all dark events but stay away from blacksite until you have levelled a bit?

[poxtops]

I did blacksite as my 4th mission after the intro mission, no weapon/armour upgrades with 0 losses/wounded.
Theres no timer to it so just take it slow and smart, get the high ground, push slowly, only take one on group at a time. It's not that difficult its just a big map and quite a few opposition but theyre still always in groups of 3-4 so easy to pick off if you're smart about it.

[Bryan=0101]

Originally posted by anynamewilldo:

do you wait until you have reseached level 2 weapons and have the alloy to build them? i researched the techs necessary for the base and immediately went. i started save scumming when i hit the elite group of baddies but it just wasn't fun and i probaly wouldn't have won with the troop positions i had anyway.
and are scientist more valuable than engineers early game?
so go to all dark events but stay away from blacksite until you have levelled a bit?

in my xp i say that is the worst thing you can do because they build more black sites and the buff to the avatar project stacks you need to get the resreach in as soon as possable expermental armor and those nanoscale vests aren't too ba until you can get some real armor

[A Y A | Approval Skeleton]

Well, you can avoid them and unlock more of the world zones and wait until Avatar projects fills. And when it fills you get 20 days until game over. That is when you take an facility if you do it resets the 20 days and removes one token of the Avatar track. (Yes this can be exploitet)

[Bryan=0101]

Originally posted by poxtops:

I did blacksite as my 4th mission after the intro mission, no weapon/armour upgrades with 0 losses/wounded.
Theres no timer to it so just take it slow and smart, get the high ground, push slowly, only take one on group at a time. It's not that difficult its just a big map and quite a few opposition but theyre still always in groups of 3-4 so easy to pick off if you're smart about it.

i notice reinfroments come in after u did the objective so the frist one one just get to the objective blow a hole in the wall and half the whole team near by the eva then have some grab the sample and you can get out the next turn the reinfroments well drop but they can't drop and attack the same turn.

[Navari]

In my experience in the ironman I am currently in it seems avatar does not start until you research the communication. I am like 15 missions in still have no unlocked commuication and have not gotten the avatar alert.

[Bryan=0101]

Originally posted by psiic:

In my experience in the ironman I am currently in it seems avatar does not start until you research the communication. I am like 15 missions in still have no unlocked commuication and have not gotten the avatar alert.

hmm

[Nibiru]

Since I'm sure you're looking for a solution to how to get past this, then my post won't help much.... but I just tried to do this mission last night and whatever it is that I should have done before this mission I obviously didn't do because I had a horrible time with it. It actually took me several hours of trying and failing to get through Blacksite without some or all of my soldiers dying.

I kept reloading to the beginning of the mission and trying it all in different ways. I refused to believe it was that hard. I could get up to the point where you grab that "item" but everytime no matter what I did I always lost all my guys right after that....so, I finally chaulked it up to believing I simply took the mission too early and I reloaded back to a much earlier save before I accepted it. Now I just hope I can do like you said and gain better weapons or armor before that mission is no longer available.

[Leer]

Originally posted by poxtops:

I did blacksite as my 4th mission after the intro mission, no weapon/armour upgrades with 0 losses/wounded.
Theres no timer to it so just take it slow and smart, get the high ground, push slowly, only take one on group at a time. It's not that difficult its just a big map and quite a few opposition but theyre still always in groups of 3-4 so easy to pick off if you're smart about it.

Originally posted by psiic:

In my experience in the ironman I am currently in it seems avatar does not start until you research the communication. I am like 15 missions in still have no unlocked commuication and have not gotten the avatar alert.

Could u essentially max your guys before u start the game actually?

Originally posted by poxtops:

I did blacksite as my 4th mission after the intro mission, no weapon/armour upgrades with 0 losses/wounded.
Theres no timer to it so just take it slow and smart, get the high ground, push slowly, only take one on group at a time. It's not that difficult its just a big map and quite a few opposition but theyre still always in groups of 3-4 so easy to pick off if you're smart about it.

Curious what was your difficulty?

[Bryan=0101]

Originally posted by Nibiru:

Since I'm sure you're looking for a solution to how to get past this, then my post won't help much.... but I just tried to do this mission last night and whatever it is that I should have done before this mission I obviously didn't do because I had a horrible time with it. It actually took me several hours of trying and failing to get through Blacksite without some or all of my soldiers dying.

I kept reloading to the beginning of the mission and trying it all in different ways. I refused to believe it was that hard. I could get up to the point where you grab that "item" but everytime no matter what I did I always lost all my guys right after that....so, I finally chaulked it up to believing I simply took the mission too early and I reloaded back to a much earlier save before I accepted it. Now I just hope I can do like you said and gain better weapons or armor before that mission is no longer available.

the first black site is simple and easy for me i've but base limtions stops me from going to the other ones so avatar is beating me on to of that i'm fighting codexs and mutons with no armor just mag weapons its a livling hell to do retaltion missions now.

[Bryan=0101]

Originally posted by trolliguy:

Originally posted by poxtops:

I did blacksite as my 4th mission after the intro mission, no weapon/armour upgrades with 0 losses/wounded.
Theres no timer to it so just take it slow and smart, get the high ground, push slowly, only take one on group at a time. It's not that difficult its just a big map and quite a few opposition but theyre still always in groups of 3-4 so easy to pick off if you're smart about it.

Originally posted by psiic:

In my experience in the ironman I am currently in it seems avatar does not start until you research the communication. I am like 15 missions in still have no unlocked commuication and have not gotten the avatar alert.

Could u essentially max your guys before u start the game actually?

Originally posted by poxtops:

I did blacksite as my 4th mission after the intro mission, no weapon/armour upgrades with 0 losses/wounded.
Theres no timer to it so just take it slow and smart, get the high ground, push slowly, only take one on group at a time. It's not that difficult its just a big map and quite a few opposition but theyre still always in groups of 3-4 so easy to pick off if you're smart about it.

Curious what was your difficulty?

you have to do many things to unlock this and that so there will awalys be a limiter resreach that you need to do before you can move on.

[Bryan=0101]

Originally posted by anynamewilldo:

do you wait until you have reseached level 2 weapons and have the alloy to build them? i researched the techs necessary for the base and immediately went. i started save scumming when i hit the elite group of baddies but it just wasn't fun and i probaly wouldn't have won with the troop positions i had anyway.
and are scientist more valuable than engineers early game?
so go to all dark events but stay away from blacksite until you have levelled a bit?

i found out you can resreach mag guns in time then go to the black markect and rush plated armor to be insant resreach to have a well armed froce as soon as possable the plated armor resreach seemed to only cost me 30 intel.

[Swordmouse]

Got it on the first try on Veteran difficulty, no upgraded weapons, no mimic grenades. I even derped and ended up fighting something like 10-12 enemies in the same engagement after I tried to grenade two clustered groups and a patrol walked in halfway through.

Granted, I lost two lowbies, and my heavy with 2 HP ended up carrying my unconscious sniper to the evac while under fire like a boss, but still. ;)

[drake_hound]

It doesn´t matter when you take on the Black sites they will scale the enemies will scale too.

But it is a bit hard fighting blacksite with just rookies. and totally not recommended the first one I had like 18 enemies >.< I had mag weapons though no plate armour yet.

And ended up severly wounded-gravely wounded all my troops they were roughly 1 LT and 2 SGT and 1 CPL 5 man team. was hard going the first one.

Funny enough 2nd blacksite was very easy just roughly 11 enemies and plant the explosives (X4)

[ositodefelpa]

I don't know, but I'm about to find out ...

[Bryan=0101]

Originally posted by drake_hound:

It doesn´t matter when you take on the Black sites they will scale the enemies will scale too.

But it is a bit hard fighting blacksite with just rookies. and totally not recommended the first one I had like 18 enemies >.< I had mag weapons though no plate armour yet.

And ended up severly wounded-gravely wounded all my troops they were roughly 1 LT and 2 SGT and 1 CPL 5 man team. was hard going the first one.

Funny enough 2nd blacksite was very easy just roughly 11 enemies and plant the explosives (X4)

yeah but umm you kind make life hell if u do a certain something you can get codexs in the early game on almost alll of u're missions it is total hell. They have an area of effect that unloads all of u're weapons its not a gernade with an area of effect they throw it disables weapons and if u stay in it next turn the psi cloud blows up. They split when you shoot them and teleport around they messed me up on my 2nd blacksite.