XCOM 2
CptFoley101 May 14, 2016 @ 8:48am
These alien rulers are so cheap...
So far i only encountered a Viper king (i assume its the same for all rulers). I had squad of 6 and for each move i make this ♥♥♥♥ing turd gets a free reaction meaning they can get up to 12 reactions! What in the actual ♥♥♥♥ ?!

P.s. extra salty
Last edited by CptFoley101; Apr 25, 2018 @ 8:21am
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Carnwulf May 14, 2016 @ 8:50am 
I know. I think it would be cooler if they would move just whenever a soldier ends his turn. So they would just get a reation like 6 times during your turn. That would still be challenging, but not that extreme.
Kingius May 14, 2016 @ 8:54am 
I think it would be cooler if they just stopped cheating and made the AI smarter instead. However, it's harder to make AI smarter than it is to slap these cheat moves on the aliens (and about a hundred HP), so this is what we have. This is really bad for beginner players though, who are going to be scared away from the game when they encounter this rubbish pretty much at the start of the game and get slaughtered, over and over again.
drake_hound (Banned) May 14, 2016 @ 9:11am 
Originally posted by Kingius:
I think it would be cooler if they just stopped cheating and made the AI smarter instead. However, it's harder to make AI smarter than it is to slap these cheat moves on the aliens (and about a hundred HP), so this is what we have. This is really bad for beginner players though, who are going to be scared away from the game when they encounter this rubbish pretty much at the start of the game and get slaughtered, over and over again.

This is what I am afraid off. the game is going to hardcore. while it is challenging and fun for me.
Especially for my kind of modded games. where aliens sometimes have 10 armour or tons of health.

I am afraid it is going a bit too hardcore. just to entertain the small crowd.
Even if I am in the small crowd.
Xcom 1 brought back TBS on table. Xcom 2 might be the end of TBS not cause of the difficulty.
But cause it is almost everything advance TBS fans ever wanted!
But sadly not at the cost of the new players learning it.

I do think the viper king should be a bit later. the berserker is fine around mag tech weapons.
Archon King is a bit too early cause of mag tech weapons. but heck it is scary.
All it´s moves are scary as F. AOE , devastate and the high def makes it a solid scary epic boss.

The AI issue I haven´t had a problem with, no silly AI cap or restricted during my boss fights infact the boss simply acted way too smart. even avoiding my Killzone over watch.
Not running into my overwatch ambushes. just wanting to get the ones who were the most threat.

The one with the freezbomb seems to be favorite. then whatever comes into range.
Luckily it very consistant in trying to target high priority over low level rookies.
Or where it can do the most damage with it´s aoe.

Even if he has to escape the ranger bladestorm traps.
But still think maybe a mini boss introduction before the viper king mission might ease stuff on the new players. even if you have to buff the HP of viper king, berserker and archon king more. if you move them down the time scale.

But that is my recommendation, feel free to ignore it and just make Dark Soul xcom lol
I don´t mind :P
Tome May 14, 2016 @ 9:15am 
Originally posted by 40-1 CptFoley101:
So far i only encountered a Viper king (i assume its the same for all rulers). I had squad of 6 and for each move i make this ♥♥♥♥ing turd gets a free reaction meaning they can get up to 12 reactions! What in the actual ♥♥♥♥ ?!

P.s. extra salty
They are not too bad (though I have only killed the viper king twice so dont know about the other) when u play to counter them.
Use freeze straight away to set up the following things.
1. Damage over time effects - acid burn, fire, poison (these trigger around 10 times per turn and so are insane damage!)
2. Set-up a flashbang - this stops them using a lot of their abilities, gives them massive mobility nerfs (awesome for the berserker king!) and they miss their basic shots more now too. Use it when the freeze wears off...
3. Killzone - every sharpshooter should have this now, cos it triggers on all of their moves like the damage over time effects in number 1
Remeber these 2 things as well
4. Use free actions - they DO NOT REACT to lightning hands, the free axe throw and units in stealth - use all of these things immediately as otherwise they could escape / uncover stealthed units before u can use them
5. ur soldiers are more valuable then them - remember that u can run away and heal up but they cant, make it a war of attrition
Blue May 14, 2016 @ 9:26am 
Can someone help me out?

I've beaten this game about 4 times on Legend and just started a new campaign with this DLC. Got to the Viper King surprisingly early in the game, only with a 5 man squad with only ballistics and kevlar.

The 10x actions per turn is DESTROYING me. I can't get anyone into posiiton and the ice bomb doesn't help because after 3 movements/actions it ends anyway. I can ice/flashbang it but by the time my turn ends it's taken shots on most of my guys. Considering how low level you are this early it's basically one hit = one kill.

I have literally no idea how to fight this thing.
drake_hound (Banned) May 14, 2016 @ 9:31am 
Originally posted by Blue:
Can someone help me out?

I've beaten this game about 4 times on Legend and just started a new campaign with this DLC. Got to the Viper King surprisingly early in the game, only with a 5 man squad with only ballistics and kevlar.

The 10x actions per turn is DESTROYING me. I can't get anyone into posiiton and the ice bomb doesn't help because after 3 movements/actions it ends anyway. I can ice/flashbang it but by the time my turn ends it's taken shots on most of my guys. Considering how low level you are this early it's basically one hit = one kill.

I have literally no idea how to fight this thing.

If you started a new game. the first mission is scripted
so get everybody in position preferable on highground move bradford over to the VIPER KING with conceal. so he can bladestorm if the King takes a action.
use his reaper to clean up the small vipers of 2 hp first before you get there.

Use the freezebomb to get 3 turns. and just get the high ground and spray it with lead as fast as possible. you have to knock off roughly 1 green bar or survive 2-3 turns so you can also choose to let the viper king come to you.

When bradford hit run and gun and conceal, while the rest is on overwatch. sadly it probaly will be wasted on the smaller vipers (that is what those low damage 1 hp vipers are for)
But truth is I had the similar problem with a new legendary game :P
But yeah the king is very mean if you bundle up together all your troops get frozen.
Tome May 14, 2016 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by Blue:
Can someone help me out?

I've beaten this game about 4 times on Legend and just started a new campaign with this DLC. Got to the Viper King surprisingly early in the game, only with a 5 man squad with only ballistics and kevlar.

The 10x actions per turn is DESTROYING me. I can't get anyone into posiiton and the ice bomb doesn't help because after 3 movements/actions it ends anyway. I can ice/flashbang it but by the time my turn ends it's taken shots on most of my guys. Considering how low level you are this early it's basically one hit = one kill.

I have literally no idea how to fight this thing.
play a difficulty level lower than normal when starting a campaign with a dlc that makes the game harder. Good rule to live by...
ive explained how to counter some elements of the bosses in the forum - but they might not be as useful if uve played lots of xcom, its mostly how to control them and use their high move count against them...
Also, the first time u beat legend was 3 days ago, so unless U have finished 3 more campaigns on legend in those 3 days, I'm gonna go right ahead and call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Last edited by Tome; May 14, 2016 @ 9:37am
Eggy May 14, 2016 @ 9:37am 
Originally posted by Blue:
Can someone help me out?

I've beaten this game about 4 times on Legend and just started a new campaign with this DLC. Got to the Viper King surprisingly early in the game, only with a 5 man squad with only ballistics and kevlar.

The 10x actions per turn is DESTROYING me. I can't get anyone into posiiton and the ice bomb doesn't help because after 3 movements/actions it ends anyway. I can ice/flashbang it but by the time my turn ends it's taken shots on most of my guys. Considering how low level you are this early it's basically one hit = one kill.

I have literally no idea how to fight this thing.
I moved bradford into melee range, eqiped with the new axe.
He took the brunt of most of the attacks, but the alien was also moving so triggering bladestrom.
Dont waste enemy turns on moving/reloading if you can avoid it.
Freeze bomb is 3 free shots.
Make sure that early on in the fight you shred the armour with something.
The axe throw is free damage.
Once the freeze bomb has worn off use bolt gun or a flash nade.
You dont have to kill it, just do enough to scare it away.
Tome May 14, 2016 @ 9:39am 
Originally posted by Eggy:
Originally posted by Blue:
Can someone help me out?

I've beaten this game about 4 times on Legend and just started a new campaign with this DLC. Got to the Viper King surprisingly early in the game, only with a 5 man squad with only ballistics and kevlar.

The 10x actions per turn is DESTROYING me. I can't get anyone into posiiton and the ice bomb doesn't help because after 3 movements/actions it ends anyway. I can ice/flashbang it but by the time my turn ends it's taken shots on most of my guys. Considering how low level you are this early it's basically one hit = one kill.

I have literally no idea how to fight this thing.
I moved bradford into melee range, eqiped with the new axe.
He took the brunt of most of the attacks, but the alien was also moving so triggering bladestrom.
Dont waste enemy turns on moving/reloading if you can avoid it.
Freeze bomb is 3 free shots.
Make sure that early on in the fight you shred the armour with something.
The axe throw is free damage.
Once the freeze bomb has worn off use bolt gun or a flash nade.
You dont have to kill it, just do enough to scare it away.
did not realise u can give bradford the axe, definately a good move if u can, but I thought u couldnt change his loadout at all...
otherwise what u've said seems like a good plan
Blue May 14, 2016 @ 9:45am 
Originally posted by Eggy:
Originally posted by Blue:
Can someone help me out?

I've beaten this game about 4 times on Legend and just started a new campaign with this DLC. Got to the Viper King surprisingly early in the game, only with a 5 man squad with only ballistics and kevlar.

The 10x actions per turn is DESTROYING me. I can't get anyone into posiiton and the ice bomb doesn't help because after 3 movements/actions it ends anyway. I can ice/flashbang it but by the time my turn ends it's taken shots on most of my guys. Considering how low level you are this early it's basically one hit = one kill.

I have literally no idea how to fight this thing.
I moved bradford into melee range, eqiped with the new axe.
He took the brunt of most of the attacks, but the alien was also moving so triggering bladestrom.
Dont waste enemy turns on moving/reloading if you can avoid it.
Freeze bomb is 3 free shots.
Make sure that early on in the fight you shred the armour with something.
The axe throw is free damage.
Once the freeze bomb has worn off use bolt gun or a flash nade.
You dont have to kill it, just do enough to scare it away.
You can't change Bradfords loadout?
Last edited by Blue; May 14, 2016 @ 9:45am
Tome May 14, 2016 @ 9:47am 
Originally posted by Blue:
Originally posted by Eggy:
I moved bradford into melee range, eqiped with the new axe.
He took the brunt of most of the attacks, but the alien was also moving so triggering bladestrom.
Dont waste enemy turns on moving/reloading if you can avoid it.
Freeze bomb is 3 free shots.
Make sure that early on in the fight you shred the armour with something.
The axe throw is free damage.
Once the freeze bomb has worn off use bolt gun or a flash nade.
You dont have to kill it, just do enough to scare it away.
You can't change Bradfords loadout?
Thats what I thought too...
Blue May 14, 2016 @ 9:52am 
Originally posted by drake_hound:
Originally posted by Blue:
Can someone help me out?

I've beaten this game about 4 times on Legend and just started a new campaign with this DLC. Got to the Viper King surprisingly early in the game, only with a 5 man squad with only ballistics and kevlar.

The 10x actions per turn is DESTROYING me. I can't get anyone into posiiton and the ice bomb doesn't help because after 3 movements/actions it ends anyway. I can ice/flashbang it but by the time my turn ends it's taken shots on most of my guys. Considering how low level you are this early it's basically one hit = one kill.

I have literally no idea how to fight this thing.

If you started a new game. the first mission is scripted
so get everybody in position preferable on highground move bradford over to the VIPER KING with conceal. so he can bladestorm if the King takes a action.
use his reaper to clean up the small vipers of 2 hp first before you get there.

Use the freezebomb to get 3 turns. and just get the high ground and spray it with lead as fast as possible. you have to knock off roughly 1 green bar or survive 2-3 turns so you can also choose to let the viper king come to you.

When bradford hit run and gun and conceal, while the rest is on overwatch. sadly it probaly will be wasted on the smaller vipers (that is what those low damage 1 hp vipers are for)
But truth is I had the similar problem with a new legendary game :P
But yeah the king is very mean if you bundle up together all your troops get frozen.
Doesn't work.

Bradford doesn't have conceal.
And using Reaper grants the King a move in-between every action, since the Neonate Vipers don't activate until after the King does.
Blue May 14, 2016 @ 9:54am 
Originally posted by Skellslayer:
Originally posted by Blue:
Can someone help me out?

I've beaten this game about 4 times on Legend and just started a new campaign with this DLC. Got to the Viper King surprisingly early in the game, only with a 5 man squad with only ballistics and kevlar.

The 10x actions per turn is DESTROYING me. I can't get anyone into posiiton and the ice bomb doesn't help because after 3 movements/actions it ends anyway. I can ice/flashbang it but by the time my turn ends it's taken shots on most of my guys. Considering how low level you are this early it's basically one hit = one kill.

I have literally no idea how to fight this thing.
play a difficulty level lower than normal when starting a campaign with a dlc that makes the game harder. Good rule to live by...
ive explained how to counter some elements of the bosses in the forum - but they might not be as useful if uve played lots of xcom, its mostly how to control them and use their high move count against them...
Also, the first time u beat legend was 3 days ago, so unless U have finished 3 more campaigns on legend in those 3 days, I'm gonna go right ahead and call ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
I didn't beat Legendary three days ago.

I beat it around 3 months ago. Not sure where you're getting that info.
That was before I even modded my game. I've played 2 modded campaigns since.
Last edited by Blue; May 14, 2016 @ 9:54am
Tome May 14, 2016 @ 9:58am 
steam achievements say otherwise...
Blue May 14, 2016 @ 10:00am 
Originally posted by Skellslayer:
steam achievements say otherwise...
If you depend on steam achievents for being accurate then I hope you never do your own taxes.

I've played 1 veteran, 1 commander, 2 Legendary, 2 Legendary/Ironman and 2 modded runs (neither completed).

If that somehow makes you angry enough to whine on the internet, not my problem.
Last edited by Blue; May 14, 2016 @ 10:00am
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