Ruler Reaction

[SilentScav]

I cannot stand that function. It makes the enemy AI cheat.
What options are available to counter act this? Cheats, mods, anything?

[Mook]

Frost grenades or any kind of stunning item. I play Long War so I hit them with a concussion rocket usually.

[Blackout]

I also hate them. I hate the op weapons you get to counter them too. The new expansion is supposed to revise them somehow. But here's some mods I used before I decided to just uninstall it.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=686468384
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=860556301

probably should only use one.

[Roderick]

Flashbang works well on the first two, as well as a frot bomb. Mind using the axe, it has a high change of stunning them, likewise the bolt caster.
I got the achievment for killing a ruler the mission it emerges by having him almost constantly stunned by these items.

[Bluflare1]

Speaking of this dlc is there a mod to make an infinite amount of the armors instead of just one of each ruler you kill same goes for weapons?

[Wakane]

Having trouble fighting my first Viper King.

Soldier 1 moves
RULER REACTION, VK grabs Soldier 2
Solder 1 shoots
RULER REACTION, VK kills Soldier 2
Soldier 3 moves
RULER REACTION, VK freezes 2 soliders
Solider 4 moves
RULER REACTION
Soldier 4 reloads
RULER REACTION

etc
etc

The damn thing just has a free moves for EVERY single thing any of my soldiers do. Even reloading, going to overwatch mode,

It's just OP. Gotta be a save scum just to beat the battle.

[Roderick]

Flashbang is your friend. First two rulers are pretty prone to it. Don't do blue actions, make always the best out of one Soldier action.
You don't have to kill them, they will flee as soon as they are wounded enough.
With a bit of luck try to get poison or fire ammunition, since the rulers will take damage wither every action they do. Exspecially poison together with a flashbang lowers their aim significantly.

[David]

Originally posted by Wakane:

Having trouble fighting my first Viper King.

Soldier 1 moves
RULER REACTION, VK grabs Soldier 2
Solder 1 shoots
RULER REACTION, VK kills Soldier 2
Soldier 3 moves
RULER REACTION, VK freezes 2 soliders
Solider 4 moves
RULER REACTION
Soldier 4 reloads
RULER REACTION

etc
etc

The damn thing just has a free moves for EVERY single thing any of my soldiers do. Even reloading, going to overwatch mode,

It's just OP. Gotta be a save scum just to beat the battle.

Why are you moving and reloading in vanilla though, when it gives him a free action? save that for the expansion. In vanilla, just stun him & shoot, then press backspace to end turn, without giving him extra moves.

Anyway here's a list of all the cheats & mods you can use, not in order:
Stasis
2x Frost Bomb
Frost Bite
Throw Axe
Rage Strike
Boltcaster's stun
Lightning Hands
Rupture
Rapid Fire
etc

Those cheats & mods worked pretty well for me so far. You'll probably want to start by with either shred holo? rupture or shred DOT bomb, to remove armor and apply effect/s at the same time, else freeze him first and then do that.

[Roderick]

Originally posted by Sphinx:

Anyway here's a list of all the cheats & mods you can use, not in order:
Stasis
2x Frost Bomb
Frost Bite
Throw Axe
Rage Strike
Boltcaster's stun
Lightning Hands
Rupture
Rapid Fire
etc

Those cheats & mods worked pretty well for me so far.

I wanted to say that it is doable without cheats or game changing mods. But now I wonder... all this things are names from skills and items in game. Do you actual advice those mods or just tell him what skills and items to use?

[Eggy]

Just hit them with as much damage as you can as quick as you can. The first one for me although it moved alot and used alot of skills at actualy did very little damage when it turned up. The next mission it apeared on it died.
If your wasting moves on reloading and moving then your playing to its strengths.

[David]

Just what skills etc to use. As above, don't even bother with blue moves, you just want to use your most damaging moves (like Rupture, Rapid Fire), your free moves (like LH,TA,RS), and your stuns (like Frost,Bolt,Stasis). Maximize damage per action, not damage per turn, because AR gets 1 action for each of yours. Keep him stunned and he doesn't get to act at all until it's time for him to flee/die depending on your tech & squad.

Iirc Rage Strike is both free and shreds, so you can start with that as well.

[morph113]

Originally posted by Eggy:

Just hit them with as much damage as you can as quick as you can. The first one for me although it moved alot and used alot of skills at actualy did very little damage when it turned up. The next mission it apeared on it died.
If your wasting moves on reloading and moving then your playing to its strengths.

Same here. I always had the alien hunter DLC not installed before WotC because of the bad things I heard. I decided to try it out now and I didn't find the viper king all that bad. It did do an action after every action from me but it did in fact very little damage. It seems the only weapon the viper king had was a bolt caster which it needs to reload after every shot. The viper king also didn't move and was exposed all the time. Taking high cover should be enough to have a low risk of getting hit by it's bolt caster. When it pulls a soldier, it only does 1 or 2 damage initially. Usually you can get that soldier out of there right away or at least within 1-2 moves. I didn't really had much issues just concentrating all my firepower on the viper king, of course while also using frost grenade and such things which counter him myself. Killing him might be a bit harder but damaging him enough to like half health so he disappears, that I didn't really find that hard.

[Maddin]

Well at least as I've seen the Berserk Queen I could defeat her fairly easy.
Lead her to an open place surrounded by my guys.
1. Freeze Grenade
2. Acid Grenade
3. Sniper with Poison Bullet attack (+Dmg from Acid Grenade)
4. Attack with some gun (+Dmg from Poison and Acid Grenade)
5. Rule comes free from Ice, attack with the Boltcaster --> Stun (+Dmg from Posion and Acid Grenade)
6. End Turn (Ruler Still stunned +Dmg from Poison and Acid Grenade)
7. Ruler comes Free from Stun, Boltcaster Attack --> Ruler still stunned (+Poison and Acid Dmg)
8. Ruler now down enough to try to flee. Throw Axe + Attack with Axe. Ruler gets away with doing barely any dmg. His first skill though did Stun one of my guys for the rest of the mission.

[Eggy]

Originally posted by Maddin:

Well at least as I've seen the Berserk Queen I could defeat her fairly easy.
Lead her to an open place surrounded by my guys.
1. Freeze Grenade
2. Acid Grenade
3. Sniper with Poison Bullet attack (+Dmg from Acid Grenade)
4. Attack with some gun (+Dmg from Poison and Acid Grenade)
5. Rule comes free from Ice, attack with the Boltcaster --> Stun (+Dmg from Posion and Acid Grenade)
6. End Turn (Ruler Still stunned +Dmg from Poison and Acid Grenade)
7. Ruler comes Free from Stun, Boltcaster Attack --> Ruler still stunned (+Poison and Acid Dmg)
8. Ruler now down enough to try to flee. Throw Axe + Attack with Axe. Ruler gets away with doing barely any dmg. His first skill though did Stun one of my guys for the rest of the mission.

Step 2 is what helped here. any kind of DoT on a ruler is win win as it ticks every time they do something.

[Maddin]

Yep thats what makes them easy.
I also tried fire, but fire sadly only ticks a very few times before it is over.

[Nasarog]

Originally posted by L E T S G O B O W L I N G:

I also hate them. I hate the op weapons you get to counter them too. The new expansion is supposed to revise them somehow. But here's some mods I used before I decided to just uninstall it.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=686468384
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=860556301

probably should only use one.

The second mod is good. I am waiting on the WotC equivalent though.