Anyone else missing the defense matrix?

[Roderick]

I liked to build the defense matrix and upgraded it to four towers. Extremly helpfull when the avenger gets shot down. But strangly, I don't get any turret wrecks. Most missions with turrets are those where you don't get corpses, so I just can't research it.
Am I just unlucky?

[Mrvecz]

Yeah, you are unlucky, most of the time, i manage to unlock and build that room after Avenger was besieged...

Only once i managed to build it before i was landed, the rest are either too late or when i build it, Avenger never had to land making it pointless, or its at such point in the game where most of my soldiers are Colonels or Brigadiers so the turrets are pointless.

[Roderick]

Originally posted by Mrvecz:

Yeah, you are unlucky, most of the time, i manage to unlock and build that room after Avenger was besieged...

Well, the siege may happen due to an UFO hunting you, which is a dark event that may happen more than once. Whenever I can, I build the defense matrix and then I don't care about the UFO hunt anymore (don't interrupt it if the reward isn't good). The ai mostly stupidly runs into to the avangers ramp and the 4 towers there are more then enough to keep it clean.
But now I research plasma weapons and the last choosen is falling... no turret breakdowhn so far. -.-

[Mrvecz]

Last time UFO tried to hunt me was at the start of the campaign... on legendary difficulty (its also the most recent) but Avenger managed to dodge it and the UFO gave up and landed elsewhere...

Few moments later i got a mission about salvaging a UFO resistance managed to disable.

[Roderick]

Originally posted by Mrvecz:

Last time UFO tried to hunt me was at the start of the campaign... on legendary difficulty (its also the most recent) but Avenger managed to dodge it and the UFO gave up and landed elsewhere...

Few moments later i got a mission about salvaging a UFO resistance managed to disable.

Those I stories I like to hear. xD Resistance rescued XCOM! Yeah!

[Synavix]

Yeah, especially with all the new map types in WotC I've found it really hard to get turret wrecks. There are a few new places turrets can spawn in the new TLP map zones though.

I try to prioritize doing a guerilla op where you have to hack a thing on a train, since those seem to be the best place to find turrets and still collect corpses.

[Silamon]

So as I understand it, making the avenger turrets is a good thing to do now in WoTC right? I have not played much but I remember it being basically useless in the base game because the avenger defence would only happen once, maybe twice in a campaign.

About how often do the chosen try to attack the avenger?

[Torus]

In WotC, the Chosen will attack the Avenger any time their Knowledge reaches maximum. If they know where you are, they will come for you. How fast that happens can vary, but it's a good reason to not let soldiers get captured or interrogated.

Extra turrets do tend to help if you wind up with a Chosen on your doorstep. Their variant of the Avenger Defense mission is a step up from the regular one.

[Mrvecz]

Originally posted by Silamon:

So as I understand it, making the avenger turrets is a good thing to do now in WoTC right? I have not played much but I remember it being basically useless in the base game because the avenger defence would only happen once, maybe twice in a campaign.

About how often do the chosen try to attack the avenger?

Yes, but it sort of depends on the difficulty, mods you play with and stage of the game. At the begining any help is appreciated, but the more skilled soldiers you have the less you need it.

Chosen in my campaign have a tendency to die before getting to 100%, more like 60-70% is the end of the line as i assail their strongholds.

So...i have to yet witness Chosen lead attack on Avenger but from what i heard they bring some kind of massive cannon that sieges the Avenger and you need to disable it before Avenger is destroyed. So yeah, in that case, turrets would help to compensate for the soldiers sent to the attack.

I would say this, if you can get it early, buy it and invest upgrades and an engineer.
In late game, dont buy unless you have nothing else to construct.

So, luck is what matters....

But there is NO reason to NOT kill the Chosen, they will grow in power overtime and they will sabotage your research projects or degrade your income.

[Silamon]

Well I have a mod called Plot Gated Chosen that prevents you from just rushing the chosen to death early, so it seems like building the defences will be worth it then.
Tbh I really hate that you can just rush to kill the Chosen and not have tod eal with them for most of the game... Kinda ruins the whole "war of the chosen" vibe.

[Mrvecz]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Well I have a mod called Plot Gated Chosen that prevents you from just rushing the chosen to death early, so it seems like building the defences will be worth it then.
Tbh I really hate that you can just rush to kill the Chosen and not have tod eal with them for most of the game... Kinda ruins the whole "war of the chosen" vibe.

Its not like you can rush them THAT early, you need a Major rank soldier to unlock the final infiltration and any reasonable person will send their best soldiers to the fortress, so most people will wait to get more majors.

[Silamon]

My understanding was that a lot of people will just ignore the main story until they can kill the chosen so they do not get any of their upgrades, I could be wrong though and I have not really played with the xpac much yet.

[Mr. Nice]

Chosen knowledge/upgrades don't care about your plot progress, it's just time plus the odd dark event. XCOM turrets have squadsight in WotC. With several fixed targets which are auto hit, plus it works as cover removal even at crap hit %, that makes them useful

[red255]

Issue 1, not getting turrets.

solution, Go on 'raid the advent facility' or 'raid the advent train' guerrilla ops to get turret wrecks

Issue 2. Are turrets worth it in WotC.

Answer, turrets in WotC are upgraded to have squad sight, also you can defend against the chosen so you get more use out of them then the one time per campaign.

[Mrvecz]

Originally posted by Silamon:

My understanding was that a lot of people will just ignore the main story until they can kill the chosen so they do not get any of their upgrades, I could be wrong though and I have not really played with the xpac much yet.

Its matter of preference really, what you do first, but in general Chosen should be killed ASAP before objectives, Blacksite wont recieve + 8 HP and +1 armour + 1 random strenght (like immunity to melee, ignorance of overwatch) every few months, nor it will port it to already hard battles, killing or kidnapping your soldiers.

In short, objectives do not attack the XCOM nor they make the game harder the longer it goes on, so it is reasonable thing to kill them early before they become too powerful.

But "powerful" cant be applied to all Chosen though, some chosen are way more dangerous than others.

For me, Assasin is the first to go, then Warlock, then Hunter, descending from how dangerous they are.

Assasin is actively attacking and doing damage to XCOM soldiers, with her hit and run tactics she can be a real nuisance in maps like sewers where there are walls and hard cover everywhere.

Warlock does nothing for the most of the game, he spawns zombies and until you find him directly with your soldiers then he whips out his psionic skills. They can wreak some havoc but Warlock can be hard countered so hard its comedy gold. Because he is a psionic, Sparks and soldiers with psi shield are immune to 90% of his abilities. He has to use his assault rifle which cannot compete with machineguns and rifles of XCOM, he pretty much has a firepower of single XCOM operative, just with ton of HP.

Hunter has a tendency to die if he gets in sight of XCOM units, he tries to snipe your units but he needs to set up his shot, game nicely shows you where you need to move the targetted unit so you just move your soldier and you waste his turn. His pistol does what... 4-6 damage ? He was, most probably also on top of a roof top, so a grenade at his face and he is hitting the pavement down bellow, now exposed to crits and he will most likely die in few hits.
He can fire his sniper rifle too without the need for setting up the shot, but so far, in my 262 hours of XCOM 2 played, i saw that only once... in other cases he tries to fire his pistol or attempts to stun or blind XCOM soldiers.

[Roderick]

Originally posted by Silamon:

I have not played much but I remember it being basically useless in the base game because the avenger defence would only happen once, maybe twice in a campaign.

Every month you are able to intercept one of up to three dark events. An UFO hunt is a dark event. I think it is 50/50, wether the UFO catches the Avenger or not. In one campaign, I had the UFO hunt almost every time as a choice. So there could have been 3, maybe 4 of those sieges. Since they can be a real pain, I mostly intercept that ... or want to build turrets.

Originally posted by red255:

Issue 1, not getting turrets.

solution, Go on 'raid the advent facility' or 'raid the advent train' guerrilla ops to get turret wrecks

Issue 2. Are turrets worth it in WotC.

Answer, turrets in WotC are upgraded to have squad sight, also you can defend against the chosen so you get more use out of them then the one time per campaign.

Then I have a bugged game, since I raided two facilities and don't have a turret wreck to research. Or must some other research done before this can happen?

Never had a choosen attack the avenger, not even in highest difficulty. Did I miss much? xD