Is "Save Scumming" okay? (Answered)

[Bird shit on rust]

Not sure if this counts or not, but is it cheating or the intended expirience when if I do really poorly on a level, I reload and try again?

[gimmethegepgun]

That's not the intended experience.

[Messsucher]

Of course it is cheating. You play against the computer. It is your opponent. But computer do not care if you cheat so no harm done.

[Bird shit on rust]

Just wondering, Came from games like divinity 2

[Messsucher]

Originally posted by Teh_Suculent:

Just wondering, Came from games like divinity 2

In XCOM 2 soldiers are expendable. You have endless supply of them and can have a big roster too. You are not intended to finish the game with your starter soldiers. The gatecrasher mission is balanced in a way that average player will lose unit in that very first mission.

[LukanGamer]

ya your intended to lose soldiers or least struggle at times so you shouldn't over use save scum as it can actually damage the experience *At times*, but it is Ai and not to mention there a chance for bug/glitch/etc... so really go ahead and do so, with just it in mind that you are ment to lose a occasional soldier and it perfectly ok to do even if it someone you love that could drive your personal story and fuel your rage against a particualr alien type.

[red255]

you should not be loading to have all your shots hit and all the enemy shots miss.

you might want to load as a crutch to deal with bad activations or other things, but bad activations are part of the game.

worst case is you lose.

[ayrtep]

Do you want the full xcom experience, or get through the story and study the mechanics? Remember a rookie solder is much the same as the supplies that you bought him/her for.

As long as you aren't playing competitively, or maybe bragging about what you're not doing, there is no such thing as cheating. Still, you miss a large part of the game by using save/load magic, but it's your game so do what you want.

I hate double clicks - move guy for the perfect shot then accidentally move to the next square.

[Abrakadabra]

Of course its completly fine and not cheating to reload, in fact Id advise against any ironman runs before you havent finished the game on veteran and commander. Then you could try a commander ironman run after that.

Its not enjoyable if you get owned all the time and then you get frustrated and then the game aint fun anymore. Youll just get angry if you get owned 80 % of the time. But once youre more familiar with the enmies, the missions, the most dangerous threats out there and how to avoid it then youll get a ton more excitement out of ironman runs.

But even when you just start the game, play your first campaign, I wouldnt reload within missions. Better to restart a whole misssion and play it through. if it goes south you start the mission again. Or give yourself maybe ten reloads within a campaign or 5 maybe after you finished the game one or two or three times and before you start real ironman.

That said, you learn much, much quicker without any safe games, cause those emotions you get will make it so oyu really remember the mistakes you made. If youre deep in the reload mindset then you know in your gut that it doesnt truely matter if you make mistakes and so you wont be inclined to remember those lessons as good. Cause you can just reload.

If your entire run ends, and all the time you played all the gear...all gone, then you wont so easily make that move. Youll think ten times and be way more conscious of possible dangers. I learned the quickest when I started playing ironman. And its also the most fun I have when theres no reload possible.

But as I said for the first 2 runs I wouldnt do ironman. The game has some unique enmies and mechanics and id get to know all of it first.

[Messsucher]

Makes me laugh how people perceive cheating not cheating just because you can cheat casually.

[Messsucher]

Save scumming is save scumming no matter how hard you try to perceive that is not. It is save scumming even if you take the most fancy cast iron skillet in the world and 1 oz artisan butter to fry it over.

[Powellinho.72]

Originally posted by Teh_Suculent:

Not sure if this counts or not, but is it cheating or the intended expirience when if I do really poorly on a level, I reload and try again?

u dont need somebodys thoughts on how you play a single player game. do what u want.

[Wantoomany]

I don't think many people have issues with someone restarting a mission that went complete fubar at some point. What irks most folks is reloading just to change dice rolls. Missing a low percentage shot and reloading over and over again just to make it a hit, reduces the game to a cheap crutch mechanic.

Of course, the game really discourages that practice. The dice rolls are baked into the save file. You can miss a shot, and reload the game a hundred times and still miss that same shot each and every time. So there is honestly little to gain by save scumming if the goal is to just alter a few rolls.

[Deathraven13]

It's BS to miss a 99% hit 3 times then it hit the 4th time tho.
But with XCOM you learn that if it's not 100 you better have a backup plan and you really need items that give you an advantage during combat if you can't clear the pod in one turn.

Doing such thing should be pretty tiring, as they say "To conquer without peril you triumph without glory"

[desrtfox071]

Originally posted by ohh noes... DS:

Originally posted by Teh_Suculent:

Not sure if this counts or not, but is it cheating or the intended expirience when if I do really poorly on a level, I reload and try again?

u dont need somebodys thoughts on how you play a single player game. do what u want.

^This.

[The Infinite Archiver]

To put simply, 'savescumming' is just a community term, just like how 'chuggers' is for Dark Souls (spamming healing items) or 'spammers' (litterally spamming their shortswords or super-stunlock weapons)

Play how you want, I personally have a 1 restart per mission rule I give myself, not counting moments when bugs or AI goes nuts and causes issues where I have to save to a previous turn.