How to cheese the Berserker Queen (and possibly every Ruler)

[Ygolnac]

Yesterday in my Commander campaign (no mods) I could kill the Berserker Queen without making her react to my moves.

1: Get a concealed Reaper in sight of the Ruler, but have the rest of the team out of sight from the Ruler itself.
2: Shoot the Ruler with a sharpshooter with squadsight, but keep the team (except the Reaper) out of sight in overwatch.

Doing so the Ruler won't move at all, won't try to escape, it will just stand there for targeting practice.

Since with WotC and integrated Ruler DLC, Rulers themselves will appear in alien Facilities, these missions will be with no timers, and you can use as many turns as you need to kill them. My sharpshhoter had 73% chance to hit and nothing to bypass the armour, so it took me around 25 turns to kill her, between reload turns and missing shots.

It felt too cheese, so I reloaded a strategic save and redid the mission (in a different map). With the ruler I spawned a pod of regular aliens too, but they moved to cover and attacked me, while the Queen,, having no LoS, stood there motionless. So I could recreate the issue and rekilled the same way.

To me it seems a glitch or an overlook in game mechanics, becouse other aliens that get squadsight-shooted in this fashion (with a concealed reaper as a spotter), run into cover then try to move somewhere and maybe regroup with another pod.

[Reoden]

Well if you really want to cheese them spam Repeaters at it and you might just one-shot it. Also Kubukiri in LW2.

That is odd though that rulers wouldn't react to being shot from squadsight? Yet another glorious Feature (TM) of XCOM 2 I guess? lol

[Ygolnac]

引用自 Reoden：

Well if you really want to cheese them spam Repeaters at it and you might just one-shot it. Also Kubukiri in LW2.

That is odd though that rulers wouldn't react to being shot from squadsight? Yet another glorious Feature (TM) of XCOM 2 I guess? lol

Very odd, they should move somewhere else, possibly in your direction. And at least they should summon their portal and escape when they take enough dmg. Seems very glitchy. Since I messed the strategic part of the campaign and my team is underequipped and not very skilled, I took the opportunity in the end, especially becouse I was able to replicate the situation in a different save in a diffrent map.

[talemore]

I on purpose created this bug on regular units by tweaking with the sightrange and what it seem to be here is a bug where the shot is not counted by the game to be a squadsight shot. It sounds like an oversight where the squadsight perk isn't working properly on rulers and them simply can't hear or see the shooter. To make sure what you now shoot at hear your sniper-rifles them could be given 2x what them have in soundrange. Don't know how much impact the sightrange works when you shoot in squadsight.

[Reoden]

I think vanilla doesn't take sound range into account. The AI is not exactly brilliant, mind you. I've had instances with squadsight snipers where I shot an enemy, the pod did activate, but they didn't seem to know where I was since I was scouting with a Phantom, and they just kinda derped around while my snipers slowly picked them off. Think this is more common in LW2 since the vanilla AI might "cheat" to know where you are even if you're outside visual range.

But I haven't tried this on the Rulers. If they have absolutely no reaction then yeah Firaxis may have just completely overlooked that interaction for them. lol

[Ygolnac]

引用自 Reoden：

But I haven't tried this on the Rulers. If they have absolutely no reaction then yeah Firaxis may have just completely overlooked that interaction for them. lol

Yup, absolutly 0 reactions. None of my soldier moved and the Queen didn't react to squadshot sniper. Might feel a bug report.

[krabdr]

I had a ruler hide during a mission when I tried this strategy.

[Wintervoid]

Or, get a skirmisher with ionic ripjack and retribution and park it right next to the queen. It will effectively stunlock the queen.

The only time she got an action was to make a portal to escape.