One wrong button click and ironman is almost over....

[arby]

Halfway through my first ironman campaign, the rush is something else. It's so much better playing it like this compared to my previous run. Things were going pretty well, I'd only lost one low-ranked soldier, then one misclick and I instantly lose two soldiers, one dead and the other bleeding out. But those were the two units carrying medkits, so I thought I'll do my first ever evac and save one at least, but I'm on a rescue the VIP mission and it turns out you can't call an evac as there's already an evac zone marked!! So I'm down to 4 men, trying to work my way across a map with the countdown ticking. I lost one more on the way, but got 3 out on the final turn.

I'm totally furous, but it feels amazing to know I at least saved 3 and the whole campaign isn't totally ruined. Only after this experience have I discovered that it's actually possible to save ironman games. I'll resist though. The panic of knowing any mistake can put the last 20 hours at risk is what makes the whole thing worthwhile

[drake_hound]

You learn to be extra carefull and think things over, that is my experience on Ironman.
And missclick happens you really try to avoid it as much as possible . and I hated it when it still happens.
But cause you take much more time in thinking over your moves.
You usually come with a good solution. Hats off for playing Ironman as it should.
No cheating.

And roll with the punches the game deals to you. in the future you will know to double check before clicking.

[KW17]

If you misclick you can always Alt+F4 out of the game, or if that takes too long, you can simply DL the mod on the workshop that disables saving on exit.

[red255]

yeah. I normally would quit out on a misclick.

usually while screaming at the machine no I did not click there.

[drake_hound]

Originally posted by Keyboard Warrior 17:

If you misclick you can always Alt+F4 out of the game, or if that takes too long, you can simply DL the mod on the workshop that disables saving on exit.

That beats the whole purpose of Ironman. you might as well play bronzeman.
That means you don´t save untill you exit.

Imagine a youtube playtrough where people missclick and then ALT F4 .. that would be silly.
Missclicks happens and it is annoying really annoying. but you learn sooner or later to rotate camera angle and be extra carefull. if you alt F4 you don´t learn much. other then lets do it again.

[thrax7545]

I just missclicked 5 minutes ago. Sprung a sectoid pod that led to a mindspin on a ranger who threw a grenade at the rest of my soldiers destroying all their cover.

I ended up losing the whole squad.

I came here to comisserate, cause I knew I wasn't the only one. So here's to the fallen soldiers lost to so many oversensitive mouse buttons...

[analog_relic]

@drake-hound - there are exceptions to every rule my friend. I am an incomplete quadraplegic with severe damage to my autonomic and sympathetic nervous systems. I will reload when I misclick and still call it ironman. Misclick to me is when I have a spasm hit my arm and hand. AR

[Sovereigndrake]

Originally posted by Keyboard Warrior 17:

If you misclick you can always Alt+F4 out of the game, or if that takes too long, you can simply DL the mod on the workshop that disables saving on exit.

Get the one that disables saving on reload, it's quicker. It's great to have, even if you still adhere to true ironman. Sometimes weird bugs can still happen.

[nobody]

if the evac is close nuff you can destroy the terrain with explosive and gamble for the new evac spot

[PsychoDino]

Originally posted by arby:

Halfway through my first ironman campaign, the rush is something else. It's so much better playing it like this compared to my previous run. Things were going pretty well, I'd only lost one low-ranked soldier, then one misclick and I instantly lose two soldiers, one dead and the other bleeding out. But those were the two units carrying medkits, so I thought I'll do my first ever evac and save one at least, but I'm on a rescue the VIP mission and it turns out you can't call an evac as there's already an evac zone marked!! So I'm down to 4 men, trying to work my way across a map with the countdown ticking. I lost one more on the way, but got 3 out on the final turn.

I'm totally furous, but it feels amazing to know I at least saved 3 and the whole campaign isn't totally ruined. Only after this experience have I discovered that it's actually possible to save ironman games. I'll resist though. The panic of knowing any mistake can put the last 20 hours at risk is what makes the whole thing worthwhile

Ironman is the true XCOM experience. Good luck Commander!

[HeyRomo]

Originally posted by drake_hound:

Originally posted by Keyboard Warrior 17:

If you misclick you can always Alt+F4 out of the game, or if that takes too long, you can simply DL the mod on the workshop that disables saving on exit.

That beats the whole purpose of Ironman. you might as well play bronzeman.
That means you don´t save untill you exit.

Imagine a youtube playtrough where people missclick and then ALT F4 .. that would be silly.
Missclicks happens and it is annoying really annoying. but you learn sooner or later to rotate camera angle and be extra carefull. if you alt F4 you don´t learn much. other then lets do it again.

Alt4 F4 doesn't defeat the purpose of ironman. The purpose of the Ironman is to beat the game with your mind and the tactical and strategic decisions you make - You live with your judgements and you accept that crit through full cover soldier death.

The point of ironman is not to make a priority of making every game more tedious by playing extra slow so you never misclick a soldier into the middle of nowhere after you just spent 5minutes cycling through your squad deciding exactly what you wanted to do. Is anybody impressed by "i did a zero misclick run!". I'm not.

The point of bronzeman is to protect yourself from bugs. People probably enjoy misclicks on youtube because everybody likes to watch things go to hell. At home there is nothing on the line other than personal enjoyment. I never learned anything from a misclick. Fight the aliens not your mouse and keyboard.

[drake_hound]

Originally posted by HeyRomo:

Originally posted by drake_hound:

That beats the whole purpose of Ironman. you might as well play bronzeman.
That means you don´t save untill you exit.

Imagine a youtube playtrough where people missclick and then ALT F4 .. that would be silly.
Missclicks happens and it is annoying really annoying. but you learn sooner or later to rotate camera angle and be extra carefull. if you alt F4 you don´t learn much. other then lets do it again.

Alt4 F4 doesn't defeat the purpose of ironman. The purpose of the Ironman is to beat the game with your mind and the tactical and strategic decisions you make - You live with your judgements and you accept that crit through full cover soldier death.

The point of ironman is not to make a priority of making every game more tedious by playing extra slow so you never misclick a soldier into the middle of nowhere after you just spent 5minutes cycling through your squad deciding exactly what you wanted to do. Is anybody impressed by "i did a zero misclick run!". I'm not.

The point of bronzeman is to protect yourself from bugs. People probably enjoy misclicks on youtube because everybody likes to watch things go to hell. At home there is nothing on the line other than personal enjoyment. I never learned anything from a misclick. Fight the aliens not your mouse and keyboard.

The point of IRON man is simply put you are a MAN of IRON thus able to handle setbacks and mistakes.

I don´t know when people changed the meaning of the words.
But that is exactly what it means. don´t like it don´t bother with Ironman.
Infact it is a challenge you put on yourself. what use is the challenge if you going to break the rules.

You can make tons of excuses. like I want to fight aliens and not miss clicks. while understandable. part of the game is that you make Mistakes tactical mistakes.
Alt F4 cause you triggered a pod when you are not ready. or a missclick. is similar.

One of the reason of timers is cause people were playing Xcom tediously even on stream.
With one square movement overwatch and taking no risk at all.
They called it optimal play.

No if you beat the game at any level and finished it, you already used your mind and tactical or strategical decision.
Ironman is just another challenge level, that makes you play different, slower more precise.
Same as legendary difficulty is different cause of the enemies 1 hp leftover.
Or preventing one shots.

[fewerjungle]

Arby, what's the difficulty and are you using bolt caster?

edit: I also prefer to play ironman most of the times. When I mess up in a normal game I get frustrated for not paying atention, playing ironman, I feel I'm sharper because I can't mess up, plus it's cleaner not having to manage saves. However it sure is more stressfull, especially mid-game. Winning team still not set, lots of progress made, lots to lose.
Funilly enough the harder mission to do without taking damage is the 2nd. No hunter weapons, 4 measly guys missing shots. Late game starts getting easier.

[happy]

you should NEVER reload on ironman.

misclicks are part of the game.

you are the commander, your misclicks amount to bad com or brainfarts.

if you start to reload on misclicks then eventually you will indulge reloading on obvious bad moves, then you will reload cause " It's morning ain't fully awake yet".

no reloads on ironman. it's harsh but any savescum kills the concept.

i became a happier ironman player the day i stopped savescumming my misclicks.

[arby]

Originally posted by fewerjungle:

Arby, what's the difficulty and are you using bolt caster?

edit: I also prefer to play ironman most of the times. When I mess up in a normal game I get frustrated for not paying atention, playing ironman, I feel I'm sharper because I can't mess up, plus it's cleaner not having to manage saves. However it sure is more stressfull, especially mid-game. Winning team still not set, lots of progress made, lots to lose.
Funilly enough the harder mission to do without taking damage is the 2nd. No hunter weapons, 4 measly guys missing shots. Late game starts getting easier.

I had to google what bolt caster was, so no, i'm not. Just vanilla xcom2 for me.

I'm only playing on Veteran. I just did a normal run through (with a bit of save-scumming...), then thought I'd go for a proper ironman. In my first 7 missions I'd done 4 flawless. That compares to 4 in the entire game the time before! I later did the blacksite vial mission flawless. That's 21 enemies killed without taking a hit. I couldn't believe it. Yes, I'm only on veteran difficulty, it doesn't need to be impressive to anyone else, it's only how it changes me- by feeling like there are real consequences you put so much thought and effort into the decision making.

Anyway, thanks for the messages of support. I'll get back into it now and see if i can recover the campaign!

[Painman]

Recognise all these emotions. Amazing that a game can give rise to them. Watched an expert playthrough and laughed out loud at his fear, anger and self-recrimination - because I recognised them. Great game.