Shadowkeeper.

[BrowneHawk]

IS it worth using shadow keep once you get plama pistol tech? I love being able to throw my sniper back into concealment. I just feel the 3 dmg will become a weakness in a few more months.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Maebus:

IS it worth using shadow keep once you get plama pistol tech? I love being able to throw my sniper back into concealment. I just feel the 3 dmg will become a weakness in a few more months.

um you can also upgrade the shadowkeeper as well as reaguler pistol's

[BrowneHawk]

I didn't realize thanks for the tip.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Maebus:

I didn't realize thanks for the tip.

yeah the plasma Shadowkeeper is pretty good
though personally i stopped using shadowfall as soon as Face off became avaliable because it's really good for weakining or killing a lot of enemies

[RainingMetal]

You'll need to complete the Alien Hunters mission in order to upgrade the Shadowkeeper, and those bosses mean business!

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by RainingMetal:

You'll need to complete the Alien Hunters mission in order to upgrade the Shadowkeeper, and those bosses mean business!

Eh TBH The only one that gave me trouble was the archon king
and that's only because i swear his weaponry isn't balanced

The Snek king isn't that bad Same with the Beserker queen plus she's a melee unit and you can stack a ♥♥♥♥ ton of status effects on her

[Belhedler]

I use it to kill the last standing ennemy or something like that in order to have the gun linger act as scout for the next pod. But I don't use sniper much, especially end-game.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Belhedler:

I use it to kill the last standing ennemy or something like that in order to have the gun linger act as scout for the next pod. But I don't use sniper much, especially end-game.

Huh i used my sniper rilfe quite alot end game

Though i gave him the icuras armor which let him Reposition as a free action

so that might be why

[Belhedler]

Vanilla or LW sniper?

[Archmage MC]

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

Originally posted by RainingMetal:

You'll need to complete the Alien Hunters mission in order to upgrade the Shadowkeeper, and those bosses mean business!

Eh TBH The only one that gave me trouble was the archon king
and that's only because i swear his weaponry isn't balanced

The Snek king isn't that bad Same with the Beserker queen plus she's a melee unit and you can stack a ♥♥♥♥ ton of status effects on her

Fun fact, you can destroy the Archon king as he can't use his special pinions if you use a SPARK and its shielding ability at the top. It cloaks all your soldiers meaning the archon can't pinions them. Makes him super easy without him having a move that can hit.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Belhedler:

Vanilla or LW sniper?

LW sniper
But i trained him in just the Gunslinger perks
Which did prove extreamly useful but i don't think there was a single perk on the gunslinger tree that wasn't on the vinilla tree Well barring double tap
Which is the only skill i wish was in the game

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Archmage MC:

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

Eh TBH The only one that gave me trouble was the archon king
and that's only because i swear his weaponry isn't balanced

The Snek king isn't that bad Same with the Beserker queen plus she's a melee unit and you can stack a ♥♥♥♥ ton of status effects on her

Fun fact, you can destroy the Archon king as he can't use his special pinions if you use a SPARK and its shielding ability at the top. It cloaks all your soldiers meaning the archon can't pinions them. Makes him super easy without him having a move that can hit.

Seirously? SWEET

[Belhedler]

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

Originally posted by Belhedler:

Vanilla or LW sniper?

LW sniper
But i trained him in just the Gunslinger perks
Which did prove extreamly useful but i don't think there was a single perk on the gunslinger tree that wasn't on the vinilla tree Well barring double tap
Which is the only skill i wish was in the game

I give you that gunslinger gives a decent DPS and that 3 shots at the same target is nothing to laugh about. But it costs you quite a number in term of weapon upgrades, especially if you play with both pistol and sniper riffle. On Commander and higher, I tend to prioritize Rifle and Shotgun because they are the great number. Cannon if needs to be. Pistol and Sniper rifle is the extra. Unless using a squad with more snipers, which I never do, it does not worth spending unless being rich.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Belhedler:

Originally posted by Jesterofgames7712:

LW sniper
But i trained him in just the Gunslinger perks
Which did prove extreamly useful but i don't think there was a single perk on the gunslinger tree that wasn't on the vinilla tree Well barring double tap
Which is the only skill i wish was in the game

I give you that gunslinger gives a decent DPS and that 3 shots as the same target is nothing to laugh about. But it costs you quite a number in term of weapon upgrades, especially if you play with both pistol and sniper riffle. On Commander and higher, I tend to prioritise Rifle and Shotgun because they are the great number. Pistol and Sniper rifle is the extra. Unless using a squad with more snipers, which I never do, it does not worth spending unless being rich.

3 shots? I assume your counting lightning hands an attack that has a 4 turn cooldown
or fan fire an attack that has a 4 turn cool down as well
And Sniper rifles do 8 damage at a minimum roll not counting armor
plasma Pistols do 6 damage not counting lightning hands on a minimum roll
IF we do count lightning hands/fan fire then it's 9 damage on a minimum roll
a 1 damage diffrince in the long run and you have to put your sniper at risk to do said damage
and a sniper rifle can be Upgraded with a number of upgrades to help it out

HOWEVER
This is not counting Deadeye
which give's a sniper a whopping 50% damage incress raising the plasma lance's minimum damage I do believe to 12 damage at a 25% chance less to hit the target

Which is negligable at the end of the game with S.C.O.P.E's
And aim P.C.S's

Now gunslinger's are still insanly good

I just am bias towards sniper's

and deadeye boosts a reguler sniper into gauss rifle damage territory
And A gauss rifle slightly above the Plasma lance
meaning you can put off buying the upgraded weaponry for awhile

[Belhedler]

Well, let's talk about opportunities. In place of a gunslinger I could take a LW Ranger. This class is quite amazing as it can shoot twice per round in most occasions as a base skill. It has very decent skills on top of having Fan Fire and Gunslinger. You have also the possibility to give it Overwatch centered skills and on top of that they barely overlaps. Actually, with Grimy's Loot special item added to the pistol, you can even turn it into a 3 shots dealer. Nothing to sneeze at.

The real strong point of the sniper is that if you want to engage from afar, meaning with concealed scout + squad sight, and especialy after being discovered, then overwatch and enjoy the show. This is without a doubt a power combo. I mean, I dealt with Shen Gift mission with T1 gear up to last stage like a walk in the park. Can't say the same about the boss though. I do use snapshot sniper to deal with codex. It is an efficient unit to OS codex asap.

[Jesterofgames7712]

Originally posted by Belhedler:

Well, let's talk about opportunities. In place of a gunslinger I could take a LW Ranger. This class is quite amazing as it can shoot twice per round in most occasions as a base skill. It has very decent skills on top of having Fan Fire and Gunslinger. You have also the possibility to give it Overwatch centered skills and on top of that they barely overlaps. Actually, with Grimy's Loot special item added to the pistol, you can even turn it into a 3 shots dealer. Nothing to sneeze at.

I thought we were talking about base game not mods but what ever
Yes he can fire 2 times and even buff his damage by 3 points
But he still losses to a sniper in range
And lethal can buff a sniper by 2 points and Still do more damage than him at maximum
Not to mention A sniper can fire on every enemy at once
Can double tap enemies at Sarget master
possibly after taking a lightning hands and gunslinger shot if lightning hands isn't on cooldown But can at least do it after a gunslinger shot
and I don't use Grimy's loot because it doesn't work for me
so Yeah
Isn't as vulnerable since he fires beyond enemy weapon range
Also concealed scout could easily be the shinobi one of the furthest moveing classes in the game

Add on icuras armor which lets your sniper reposition for free
AND WELL YEAH

the double power combo would easily beat out a ranger in my book

OR you could use the long war Tool box to set your squad size at larger than normal And never have to decide about wether to take a class or not again.

But again this is just diffrince of opinions and my personal bias towards sniper rifles

Though side note: we might get in trouble for going massivly off topic on this thread So We might wanna take this to a new thread where it's more on topic