Some story points [SPOILERS]

[Breach]

OK, finished the game. Some food for thought. From what I understood - Ruvik and Laura get burned in a barn by some angry peasants. Laura dies, Ruvik becomes a psychopath. Invents way to connect consciences, Good Doctor supplies patients for experiments. Ruvik is smarter than doctor, but eventually Dr and some evil agency (Mobius) take his brain to run STEM.

1. The biggest mess is figuring out which is the real-world. It's hinted that all people you meet have been kidnapped (by Mobius presumably) and linked to STEM.

Theory 1 - the game starts in the real world. Ruvik somehow managed to manifest physically in the hospital and taken over STEM even if it's shut down (see boiler room note). When you look at the security monitor he gets you so from that point on you're in his world (brain). Also somehow you end up in STEM (brought there either by Mobius or by Ruvik himself). In his world there's also another STEM - at the end of the game you see yourself in a vat. You destroy his conscience (brain) there, killing him. In the meantime Mobius packed up and left with the real brain (or what's left of it) and Kidman lets you and Leslie live. Ruvik may or may not have transferred to Leslie - cliffhanger there, but given the headache at the end it's likely he has and this is his/Leslie's way of escaping.

Theory 2 - this is more complicated - the game starts already in STEM world, probably when Connely, Joseph you and Kidman are connected. You're getting headaches still in the police car (also there's nobody else to be seen in the streets). Then same story, Ruvik takes over your conscience, you're in STEM within STEM (and see another Sebastian who's in STEM within STEM within STEM). Kill Ruvik, and go back - but you only go back one level up. That's hinted by the last headache.

2. Kidman seems inserted by Mobius to make sure Ruvik doesn't escape in Leslie's body. On the other hand if Mobius are in control of STEM why don't they just terminate Leslie in the real world? My guess is he's too valuable so they sent Kidman to only kill him in the virtual world if there's no other option.

3. The missing person poster for a young woman hints heavily that it's Kidman. But in the poster it says she has brown eyes and the cinematics have her with blue eyes.

4. Not sure about all these scenes with a red tint - Dr and a nurse pushing you, a monster showing up, getting a lobotomy, peasants setting you on fire, Sebastian killing someone (Sebastian)... think these are just red hallucinations / red herrings though.

Any thoughts?

[Brick]

Leslie is not the man in the cell.

If you want to know why Ruvik's memory of his beloved sister turned into a monster read her bio in the model viewer.

Unless I misremember, every recording is Ruvik. All of them.

Seb didn't necessarily go to investigate the hospital. There is a Sebastian missing poster just like there's a poster for Joseph. He was likely kidnapped or captured and then taken to the hospital.

Kidman's poster is a much younger kidman, and her actual name is scribbled out. This, along with the events of the game, implies she was kidnapped and indoctrinated into the organization long ago.

The only thing there doesn't seem to be any even hinted explanation for is the bodies in the hospital foyer at the very end. Hopefully the DLC will shed some light on things.

[Tiny Trees]

I didn't mean Leslie was the man in the cell. I think I got that wrong but I'll explain it anyway.


I thought Leslie was lying on the floor in the foyer of the hospital right at the very end. You see him from the top of his head. However I watched it again just now on Youtube. I see it might not have been Leslie and more likely any patient.

On here at 48:58.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JD0GY0ghQs

I thought Leslie was somehow on the floor then ported past Sebstian. Similar lightning fast movement as when Leslie just disappears moments after, when Seb looks away for a second. However in this vid it looks like the walking away Leslie has light hair. However I can't remember how his hair looked at that walking away point in the game. Probably white. Very easy to be muddled though in this game.


I should re-listen to all the recordings then if they are Ruvic. I had not even contemplated they were him. Need a fresh ear on it.


The Kidman poster is a mystery. Someone else said her model viewer gave her different coloured eyes than the poster. I looked very closely in chapter 14 or 15 (in the trying to shoot Leslie bit). She has blue-almost light purple tinted eyes.

OK will check on Laura's bio.

I'm lost with the bodies too. I'm lost with why there is no brain attached to STEM at the end, if your theory is right. I am lost with why Ruvic reacted to being set on fire by Sebastain.

Then again, I am lost with all of it. It has been seriously good fun though chatting it through with you folks.

[supertrooper225]

Originalmente postado por Tiny Trees:

I didn't mean Leslie was the man in the cell. I think I got that wrong but I'll explain it anyway.


I thought Leslie was lying on the floor in the foyer of the hospital right at the very end. You see him from the top of his head. However I watched it again just now on Youtube. I see it might not have been Leslie and more likely any patient.

On here at 48:58.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JD0GY0ghQs

I thought Leslie was somehow on the floor then ported past Sebstian. Similar lightning fast movement as when Leslie just disappears moments after, when Seb looks away for a second. However in this vid it looks like the walking away Leslie has light hair. However I can't remember how his hair looked at that walking away point in the game. Probably white. Very easy to be muddled though in this game.


I should re-listen to all the recordings then if they are Ruvic. I had not even contemplated they were him. Need a fresh ear on it.


The Kidman poster is a mystery. Someone else said her model viewer gave her different coloured eyes than the poster. I looked very closely in chapter 14 or 15 (in the trying to shoot Leslie bit). She has blue-almost light purple tinted eyes.

OK will check on Laura's bio.

I'm lost with the bodies too. I'm lost with why there is no brain attached to STEM at the end, if your theory is right. I am lost with why Ruvic reacted to being set on fire by Sebastain.

Then again, I am lost with all of it. It has been seriously good fun though chatting it through with you folks.

I can't provide answers for everything. But Ruvik hates fire because he got lit up in the barn as a kid. That much I can tell you lol.

[Tiny Trees]

Yes, but I mean Ruvic is the one who has concious control they say.

It depends whether;

Ruvic is the same as everyone else, but has concious control. Then the beasts are just a by product of STEM.

Or

Ruvic has control over everything. He conjured the beasts effectively. If so why is he vulnerable to fire. He can kill Sebastain anytime. He does so in the mansion if you don't get away from him. (Presuming that's Ruvic and not just a fake, like Sebastain thinks one is at one time.)

[supertrooper225]

Originalmente postado por Tiny Trees:

Yes, but I mean Ruvic is the one who has concious control they say.

It depends whether;

Ruvic is the same as everyone else, but has concious control. Then the beasts are just a by product of STEM.

Or

Ruvic has control over everything. He conjured the beasts effectively. If so why is he vulnerable to fire. He can kill Sebastain anytime. He does so in the mansion if you don't get away from him. (Presuming that's Ruvic and not just a fake, like Sebastain think one is at one time.)

Ruvik has control of the world in the STEM but Seb also seems to have some control as well. That is why Ruvik doesn't really want him around. Because he just can't seem to kill Seb so easily and Seb has the ability to fight back. It is Ruvik conjuring the beasts. It makes sense to me that he would be vulnerable to fire as he was burned as a kid. He was scarred both physically and mentally from it.

[Tiny Trees]

Mmm but he can port around and do magic stuff. All he had to do was think and he could have a new coat. That's what I mean. Yeah, maybe fire just caught him off guard.

I think Doc vaguely made a suggestion that the insane monsters were a by product. (Again don't quote me. I'm not convinced and I might be wrong.) He said something like, 'it's not perfect'.

[supertrooper225]

Originalmente postado por Tiny Trees:

Mmm but he can port around and do magic stuff. All he had to do was think and he could have a new coat. That's what I mean. Yeah, maybe fire just caught him off guard.

I think Doc vaguely made a suggestion that the insane monsters were a by product. (Again don't quote me. I might be wrong.) He said something like, 'it's not perfect'.

OK, my memory is kinda joggin now... slowly. It is lazy.

Yea, Ruvik can do magic stuff. But he hates fire like Superman hates Kryptonite. He is scared of it. Fire hurts man lol. This may also explain why kneecapping and burning enemies is such a good tactic. Since the creatures reside in the STEM which is mainly hooked to Ruvik... maybe his weaknesses apply to the monsters as well? Cool stuff.

I remember the model viewer saying stuff about the individual creatures and I may be oversimplifying when I just say that Ruvik is conjuring them. I think I remember something mentioning that the creatures are people that died while attached to the STEM. You should check the viewer out and see what it says but it tells some pretty interesting info.

[Tiny Trees]

That rings right.

Yep, I think the monsters are people already somehow involved or connected. In chapter 1 or 2 you see them change. That seems like Ruvik's work.

I will for sure look in the log viewer again. Both you and Brick have mentioned some stuff I need to see. To be honest I didn't see monster biographies, so I will have to search deeper.

[DogMeat]

Originalmente postado por supertrooper225:

Yea, Ruvik can do magic stuff. But he hates fire like Superman hates Kryptonite. He is scared of it. Fire hurts man lol. This may also explain why kneecapping and burning enemies is such a good tactic. Since the creatures reside in the STEM which is mainly hooked to Ruvik... maybe his weaknesses apply to the monsters as well? Cool stuff.

This is a great observation that I didn't even think of. It would certainly help explain why a single match :WOOSH: burns them to a crisp!

[supertrooper225]

Originalmente postado por DogMeat:

Originalmente postado por supertrooper225:

Yea, Ruvik can do magic stuff. But he hates fire like Superman hates Kryptonite. He is scared of it. Fire hurts man lol. This may also explain why kneecapping and burning enemies is such a good tactic. Since the creatures reside in the STEM which is mainly hooked to Ruvik... maybe his weaknesses apply to the monsters as well? Cool stuff.

This is a great observation that I didn't even think of. It would certainly help explain why a single match :WOOSH: burns them to a crisp!

I am not going to lie. I never thought of it till Tiny Trees thought so hard about the fire thing. Then it hit me like a brick as I was typing out the first couple of sentences. It is kind of interesting. I was wondering why they burned so easily like they were coated in gas or something. Makes sense....

[Tiny Trees]

Chapter five, Sebastian says, "Fire seems to work", if you burn Laura with match and oil-patch.

[Ml33tninja]

I have always assume you are in the STEM world from the word go. However the game ending (hell the game its self)is too lazy beyond beilef. Maybe the reason Seb has that recation at the very end can mean he still has a connection to Leslie and Ruvik. Hard to say since we only see Seb and Kidman escape (who the hell knows what happened to Joseph)

[Tiny Trees]

I was itching to get a look at Leslie walking off again at the very end. I thought since I had just played out TEW I'd be OK to load a recent auto save.

Grr not happening. The last autosave was thirteen minutes before the end.

It might be worth taking a few screen shots of the bodies in the hospital foyer. To see if the victims/bodies at the end match those at the start. (Probably thinking too much though.)

[AlucarD]

The man in the cell is a reporter ! I think he is called Diaz or something (you find his missing poster on the bulletin board). He was investigating Mobius (the organisation Kidman and Dr. Jiminez works for) and the disappearances and got to close and he was probably abducted and connected to the Stem system as well.

[AlucarD]

What bothers me is the sound distortion that Sebastian and everyone is hearing over the radio. Does that mean they are connected to the Stem when they are in the car at the beginning ? Also Dr. Jimenez tries to synchronize Leslie to another wavelenght and for a short period the real world materializez and then the Amalgam Alpha appears to stop them and kills Dr. Jimenez.

What does the sound mean ? It seems to be important as its heard throughout the game and in different cutscenes, even at the end Sebastian can still hear it outside :/

I love that this game is so full of mysteries :D

Another thing that bugs me is Josephs and Sebastians "zombification"

What is it ? Is it Ruviks influence over Joseph and Sebastian ??

When Sebastian turns into a zombie for a short period and tries to strangle Kidman I believe Kidman knocks him over and shuts him in the room.

When he wakes up she says something like "you are tainted now, so he could try to stop me through you"

Does she mean that she has a secret agenda and Ruvik could stop her by taking over Joseph and Sebastian ?

Also why is Kidman not influenced by the zombification as she says she doesnt have the symthoms or says "maybe its not affecting everyone"