Did Sebastian kill SPOILER?

[DogMeat]

During the final chapter, it starts with a first person perspective from tank CB-201 looking at Kidman. After a moment Sebastian comes and seemingly shoots himself. Later in the chapter when you go up the elevator and you are standing above the glass looking down on the tanks we see that tank CB-201 is actually occupied by Dr. Jimenez.

I have a theory... what if the people... including Sebastian are uploaded copies of themselves? This would explain how we have a Kidman within Stem while a Kidman is seemingly watching over the people in the tanks. What if the real Sebastian is an operative for the company, just as Kidman is but they upload versions of themselves and what we got at the start of chapter 15 was in fact the real Sebastian killing Dr. Jimenez? Also, when you go through the water trough/tank area there are numbers flashing above the doorway... do they mean anything?

This also doesn't really explain how Sebastian is seemingly in the real world at the end which kind of dismisses this theory.

This game hurts my brain... in a good way.

EDIT: I'm certain I'm not the first person who noticed this and I'm sorry if I'm repeating something already posted in the various threads about whats really going on.

[supertrooper225]

OJ191 eredeti hozzászólása:

supertrooper225 eredeti hozzászólása:

Ah, fair point. I could have worded that better I suppose.

thats ok they didn't even tell us how he escaped or why it didn't work to get the rest of us out :C

I also have to wonder if the zombification is reversible, ie if you had kept the uniform cop alive at the start and he didn't die elsewhere, would he have gone back to normal upon beating ruvik even though he had been taken over?

and either we're still stuck in STEM, or ruvik has IRL superpowers which he can now take anywhere in leslies body :/

I don't think there are any concrete details...but if I had to take a guess...The zombification occurs in people who have died plugged in to the STEM. Not sure why but I think that is what is going on.

As for the concept of the ending and for the next game? I think I am settling on this: Ruvik has escaped and now has boderline supernatural powers due to everything that occured with his dome. I think the next game will have Ruvik kidnap another protagonist or Sebastian (Dont know why Seb would let himself kid nabbed again but let's ignore that) for another run in yet another STEM.

My other concept is that Ruviks powers will allow him to manifest all the monsters into the real world bridging dreams and reality. The only thing that bugs me about that is how other characters seemed to zombify slowly in TEW. So they either won't turn in this situation or Ruvik can turn corpses into zombies. This is just wild speculation and or BS btw.

[OJ191]

supertrooper225 eredeti hozzászólása:

OJ191 eredeti hozzászólása:

thats ok they didn't even tell us how he escaped or why it didn't work to get the rest of us out :C

I also have to wonder if the zombification is reversible, ie if you had kept the uniform cop alive at the start and he didn't die elsewhere, would he have gone back to normal upon beating ruvik even though he had been taken over?

and either we're still stuck in STEM, or ruvik has IRL superpowers which he can now take anywhere in leslies body :/

I don't think there are any concrete details...but if I had to take a guess...The zombification occurs in people who have died plugged in to the STEM. Not sure why but I think that is what is going on.

As for the concept of the ending and for the next game? I think I am settling on this: Ruvik has escaped and now has boderline/supernatural powers due to everything that occured with his dome. I think the next game will have Ruvik kidnap another protagonist or Sebastian (Dont know why Seb would let himself kid nabbed again but let's ignore that) for another run in yet another STEM.

My other concept is that Ruviks powers will allow him to manifest all the monsters into the real world bridging dreams and reality. The only thing that bugs me about that is how other characters seemed to zombify slowly in TEW. So they either won't turn in this situation or Ruvik can turn corpses into zombies. This is just wild speculation and or BS btw.

uhh just saying, joseph nearly zombified several times and the same happened to sebastian once (though maybe that was a hallucination or something considering kidman shot him in the face yet he didn't die just turned back to normal and woke up with a headache)

why make another STEM when he has powers IRL and now has a body to take them anywhere he wants instead of being stuck as a brain in a jar.

I suspect that the zombification is merely an extension of ruviks power to control the STEM world consciously, he has so much power that he can even change those who are weak-willed or who give up/lose hope.


the question is of course how many of his powers can he use IRL, and in his new body. We know that at the start he was doing a sort of astral projection and was invincible + could teleport and ♥♥♥♥, but what now.

Also, at the start did he put sebastian in STEM or did he merely knock him out (this is one of the main parts that doesn't make sense unless either sebastian was already in STEM or ruvik can somehow connect him "wirelessly" to STEM).

[supertrooper225]

OJ191 eredeti hozzászólása:

supertrooper225 eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't think there are any concrete details...but if I had to take a guess...The zombification occurs in people who have died plugged in to the STEM. Not sure why but I think that is what is going on.

As for the concept of the ending and for the next game? I think I am settling on this: Ruvik has escaped and now has boderline/supernatural powers due to everything that occured with his dome. I think the next game will have Ruvik kidnap another protagonist or Sebastian (Dont know why Seb would let himself kid nabbed again but let's ignore that) for another run in yet another STEM.

My other concept is that Ruviks powers will allow him to manifest all the monsters into the real world bridging dreams and reality. The only thing that bugs me about that is how other characters seemed to zombify slowly in TEW. So they either won't turn in this situation or Ruvik can turn corpses into zombies. This is just wild speculation and or BS btw.

uhh just saying, joseph nearly zombified several times and the same happened to sebastian once (though maybe that was a hallucination or something considering kidman shot him in the face yet he didn't die just turned back to normal and woke up with a headache)

Oh! Who is to say that being connected to the STEM, which is mainly run by Ruvik, didn't give Sebastian some kind of ability as well? Nothing like Ruvik or anything but remember? He seemed to be the only person at the end who heard the noise and saw Leslie before he dissapeared.

Joseph said that he felt compelled to commit suicide in a way...Remember the deal when he said he felt like he wanted to jump in front of the Subway or off of a building or something? Maybe dying in the STEM would have finished his zombification and they are slowly dying while attached?

I also think that Seb was hooked up to the STEM before everything occured...I don't have any proof it is just a hunch. Feels right, I don't know.

One more thing. Those two concepts I threw out above were meant to be sort of seperate from each other. Either there is another run in a STEM or the game will be set in the real world with Ruvik as an antagonist of course manifesting all of his monsters into the real world.

[OJ191]

supertrooper225 eredeti hozzászólása:

OJ191 eredeti hozzászólása:

uhh just saying, joseph nearly zombified several times and the same happened to sebastian once (though maybe that was a hallucination or something considering kidman shot him in the face yet he didn't die just turned back to normal and woke up with a headache)

Oh! Who is to say that being connected to the STEM, which is mainly run by Ruvik, didn't give Sebastian some kind of ability as well? Nothing like Ruvik or anything but remember? He seemed to be the only person at the end who heard the noise and saw Leslie before he dissapeared.

Joseph said that he felt compelled to commit suicide in a way...Remember the deal when he said he felt like he wanted to jump in front of the Subway or off of a building or something? Maybe dying in the STEM would have finished his zombification and they are slowly dying while attached?

I also think that Seb was hooked up to the STEM before everything occured...I don't have any proof it is just a hunch. Feels right, I don't know.

One more thing. Those two concepts I threw out above were meant to be sort of seperate from each other. Either there is another run in a STEM or the game will be set in the real world with Ruvik as an antagonist of course manifesting all of his monsters into the real world.

I was highly under the impression that he could feel himself turning and wanted to end it before he did so, because he felt he couldn't hold out much longer.

(if you noticed, none of the zombies could respawn only ruvik's nightmares)

[Soulkey]

INB4

Actually Sebastian killed his wife and daughter because of his drinking problems.
STEM doesn't exist, and in reality Sebastian is a patient now in the real Beacon Mental Hospital. Ruvik doesn't exist either and is only the representation of Seb's guilt and the fact he can't accept the reality that he killed his family. And the nightmare world is the purgatory where he atones for his sins.

Yes. I was bored.
But tbh, it does explain a few things.

[supertrooper225]

Soulkey eredeti hozzászólása:

INB4

Actually Sebastian killed his wife and daughter because of his drinking problems.
STEM doesn't exist, and in reality Sebastian is a patient now in the real Beacon Mental Hospital. Ruvik doesn't exist either and is only the representation of Seb's guilt and the fact he can't accept the reality that he killed his family. And the nightmare world is the purgatory where he atones for his sins.

Yes. I was bored.
But tbh, it does explain a few things. :emofdr:

Mind....blown. That actually sounds pretty good. You may have just spoiled the sequel lol. For real though it does explain a few things and it kinda fits.

[iLLmEcHaNiCo]

Personally, I think Seb is a pawn for Kidman form the start. Can't figure out how, though. Through various texts you find out that Kidaman is the "new kid" on the team and I don't think she found a job with Seb by chance.

As for your theory...it's awesome and totally plausible. May we play the "virtual" version of Sebastion who is not self aware of his "reality" self?

Damn, bro. Thanks for fogging things up even more in my head lmao. Where's this friggin' DLC already!?

[iLLmEcHaNiCo]

Also, reading the descriptions in the gallery of each type of character/enemy gives us a lot of underlining info on how STEM works and why certain people appear the way they do in STEM. I'm gonna have to check that out again when I get home. Maybe some answers lie hidden there.

[DogMeat]

iLLcAtTiVisSiMo eredeti hozzászólása:

Personally, I think Seb is a pawn for Kidman form the start. Can't figure out how, though. Through various texts you find out that Kidaman is the "new kid" on the team and I don't think she found a job with Seb by chance.

As for your theory...it's awesome and totally plausible. May we play the "virtual" version of Sebastion who is not self aware of his "reality" self?

Damn, bro. Thanks for fogging things up even more in my head lmao. Where's this friggin' DLC already!?

I would have loved a plot twist where Virtual Sebastian is kind of a good guy because he was programmed that way but the real Sebastian is actually a horrible person. Perhaps have a part where virtual Sebastian could take over the mind of the real one, kind of like how Ruvik takes over Leslie. Kind of like Total Recall, where the real Armold was a jerk and memory whiped Arnold was a good guy.

I'm probably totally wrong with this, but that sequence where Sebastian seemingly shot himself didn't make sense... nor did the flashes of Kidman in the real world all the while she was also fighting her way through the STEM world.

[iLLmEcHaNiCo]

DogMeat eredeti hozzászólása:

iLLcAtTiVisSiMo eredeti hozzászólása:

Personally, I think Seb is a pawn for Kidman form the start. Can't figure out how, though. Through various texts you find out that Kidaman is the "new kid" on the team and I don't think she found a job with Seb by chance.

As for your theory...it's awesome and totally plausible. May we play the "virtual" version of Sebastion who is not self aware of his "reality" self?

Damn, bro. Thanks for fogging things up even more in my head lmao. Where's this friggin' DLC already!?

I would have loved a plot twist where Virtual Sebastian is kind of a good guy because he was programmed that way but the real Sebastian is actually a horrible person. Perhaps have a part where virtual Sebastian could take over the mind of the real one, kind of like how Ruvik takes over Leslie. Kind of like Total Recall, where the real Armold was a jerk and memory whiped Arnold was a good guy.

I'm probably totally wrong with this, but that sequence where Sebastian seemingly shot himself didn't make sense... nor did the flashes of Kidman in the real world all the while she was also fighting her way through the STEM world.

Did you really just reference Total Recall? XD It's amazing how you just forget about awesome movies from your youth. And hell yes, I'm loving the thought process. Imagine if you were spot on and the sequel was exactly what you would love to see? lol

Your thoughts remind me of one of those "I was a ghost the whole time!" kinda movies.

[Sifer2]

Soulkey eredeti hozzászólása:

INB4

Actually Sebastian killed his wife and daughter because of his drinking problems.
STEM doesn't exist, and in reality Sebastian is a patient now in the real Beacon Mental Hospital. Ruvik doesn't exist either and is only the representation of Seb's guilt and the fact he can't accept the reality that he killed his family. And the nightmare world is the purgatory where he atones for his sins.

Yes. I was bored.
But tbh, it does explain a few things. :emofdr:

That's actually exactly what I thought the ending was going to be mid game. But then it never actually went there. I was gonna call shutter island rip off lol. But instead it's ending is just vague, and weird with conspiracies, and secret experiments.

I also am genuinely confused by the scene the topic creator pointed out of Sebastion shooting "himself". Obviously it could have been someone else's memory that Sebastion was reliving. But then who the hell was it that Sebastion would coldly execute like that? It's almost like they just threw it in there as a cheap mind **** scene that means nothing. Guess we wont know unless the DLC campaign tells us.