To people who really overdemonize 30FPS issue (EDITED)

[Nedly Dedly]

*HUGE EDIT! PLEASE READ*

Okay, people, first, I am sorry for all this misuderstanding caused by as "My Grandma is a lesbian !" said - hostile tone of this thread. Sadly, I can't delete it, so I decided to made this edit.

Please, keep in mind, that I understand how upset you all are and I never, NEVER tried to shut up everyone who complains about 30FPS, shove my opinion down your throats or protect the developers, publishers and 30FPS itself. All I wanted, is just to criticise and (at least try to) calm down people who as I said - are going completely out of hand.

I am really sorry for behaving like ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and stubborn ram too, but I just got annoyed of behaviour of most of 30FPS-protesters and that some people ignoring (some) things I write, though yeah, I can be sometimes really naggy and be overprotective over that what I say too. I hope no offense taken and I am sorry if I misunderstood you too. Just please, lets not act like ♥♥♥♥♥♥ bags towards each other and keep our opinions and views as our opinions and views, this arguments and conversations will lead to nothing but endless flamewars on forum.

[Mike]

Just check out http://30vs60.com thats side by side and then remember that its a VIDEO where your not in controll where you feel the poor fps in the input lag... 2560x1440 @ 144hz with g-sync ftw in _all_ shooters!

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by Rantoc:

Just check out http://30vs60.com thats side by side and then remember that its a VIDEO where your not in controll where you feel the poor fps in the input lag... 2560x1440 @ 144hz with g-sync ftw in _all_ shooters!

Well I noticed that 30FPS are a bit slower, but still, its not a critical issue (at lesat for me), thats what I tried to point out. Its not good yes, but its not SO BAD that you need to call an exorcist.

[Schrödinger's MMR]

Originally posted by Chris:

Just to check don't youtube videos only render at 30 fps so why upload 60 fps footage there?

Also i don't have a problem with with 30 fps as long as it's consistent. Dropping from 60 to 50 is less noticable than dropping from 30 to 20 at hectic points in gameplay.

i was just posting for confirmation on the youtube thing because i heard it does not support 60 fps video yet.

they support it recently in youtube change into 1080p60hz

[DogMeat]

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

Okay, okay, OKAY! Before you will start throwing your ♥♥♥♥ "monkey-style" at me and posting hate comments, just listen and also REMEMBER, that this is adressed only to people who really overreact and go ape♥♥♥♥ over that 30FPS crap, not to everyone who complains about it or just not happy with it. I am not saying that 30FPS nova days are completely okay, yes, its not good and honestly, laziness of the devs are indeed pretty redicilous and IMHO even kinda unpolite. But take a look at this video of 30FPS and 60FPS comparison in Sleeping Dogs. You will notice, that there is not so much differences, plus tbh, they're even barely noticable. Just take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DFbNn3YpWM


P.S. And again, remember. I am NOT protecting 30FPS and laziness of the developers. I just want you to calm your ♥♥♥♥ down and stop overreacting and overdemonizing the issue so ♥♥♥♥ing much, cause its getting out of hand. If you're PC-elitists from "PC GAMING MASTER RACE!" club, you can go straight to hell, nobody likes you anyway for a pretty obvious reasons. To others: hope you will finally calm your ♥♥♥♥ down and stop screaming that it will be enormously horrible crappy unplayable port and that game will look like ♥♥♥♥ because of 30FPS. If you still doesnt change your views and opinions - fine, just dont push them down the throats of others, lets just wait for the game to come out and then - judge optimization etc. Stop judging, while game are not even out and I highly doubt you even played any game wtih 30FPS nor on consoles, nor on PC, if you think that game on PC with 30FPS will work like GTA V on Windows 98.

YOU DON'T SHOW VIDEOS TO DEMONSTRATE THE PROBLEMS WITH 30 FPS FFS. The only way to know why 30 FPS cap is horrible is to PLAY IT for the millionth time. You... Don't... Know... What... You... Are... Talking... About. I get it, you don't like when people get angry. Guess what, this time they are justified.

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by DogMeat:

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

Okay, okay, OKAY! Before you will start throwing your ♥♥♥♥ "monkey-style" at me and posting hate comments, just listen and also REMEMBER, that this is adressed only to people who really overreact and go ape♥♥♥♥ over that 30FPS crap, not to everyone who complains about it or just not happy with it. I am not saying that 30FPS nova days are completely okay, yes, its not good and honestly, laziness of the devs are indeed pretty redicilous and IMHO even kinda unpolite. But take a look at this video of 30FPS and 60FPS comparison in Sleeping Dogs. You will notice, that there is not so much differences, plus tbh, they're even barely noticable. Just take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DFbNn3YpWM


P.S. And again, remember. I am NOT protecting 30FPS and laziness of the developers. I just want you to calm your ♥♥♥♥ down and stop overreacting and overdemonizing the issue so ♥♥♥♥ing much, cause its getting out of hand. If you're PC-elitists from "PC GAMING MASTER RACE!" club, you can go straight to hell, nobody likes you anyway for a pretty obvious reasons. To others: hope you will finally calm your ♥♥♥♥ down and stop screaming that it will be enormously horrible crappy unplayable port and that game will look like ♥♥♥♥ because of 30FPS. If you still doesnt change your views and opinions - fine, just dont push them down the throats of others, lets just wait for the game to come out and then - judge optimization etc. Stop judging, while game are not even out and I highly doubt you even played any game wtih 30FPS nor on consoles, nor on PC, if you think that game on PC with 30FPS will work like GTA V on Windows 98.

YOU DON'T SHOW VIDEOS TO DEMONSTRATE THE PROBLEMS WITH 30 FPS FFS. The only way to know why 30 FPS cap is horrible is to PLAY IT for the millionth time. You... Don't... Know... What... You... Are... Talking... About. I get it, you don't like when people get angry. Guess what, this time they are justified.

And why the ♥♥♥♥ not? Also, talking about playing. It seems like you really really want to justify your opinion as fact as much as possible. Also, I guess you never played 30FPS games yourself. Look at Dead Rising 3. I havent noticed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of people saying how extremely horrendous it is, despite it has 30FPS. A lot of consoles games, Last Of Us for example. Seriously, seems like you're the who doesnt know what is he talkig about.

[DogMeat]

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

And why the ♥♥♥♥ not? Also, talking about playing. It seems like you really really want to justify your opinion as fact as much as possible. Also, I guess you never played 30FPS games yourself. Look at Dead Rising 3. I havent noticed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of people saying how extremely horrendous it is, despite it has 30FPS. A lot of consoles games, Last Of Us for example. Seriously, seems like you're the who doesnt know what is he talkig about.

Have you even played Dead Rising 3 on PC? No... NOT WATCHED IT... played it?

As for have I played 30 FPS? Yes. In fact I have one of the most perfect examples... but its nothing I can show because you have to experience it yourself.

Brink, for whatever reason, has 30 FPS cap in single player but 60 in multiplayer. Simply going back and forth is a night and day difference. 30 FPS feels horrible, especially in anything where quick movement or aiming & accuracy is required.

YOU CAN NOT SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 30-60 FPS IN A VIDEO. Even if you do see a difference, its about the FEEL of 30 FPS and the only way you can understand the FEEL of 30 FPS is to actually play a PC title locked at 30 FPS with a mouse and keyboard, which you have yet give an example of doing.

And again, you keep giving CONSOLE examples. How many times do I have to explain why 30 FPS is not as noticable on a console and even acceptable on one but how that same 30 FPS feels like utter garbage on PC. You're like someone who watched an episode of House and suddenly thinks you are a Dr. because you've watched a few youtube comparisons and played a few capped console games.

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by DogMeat:

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

And why the ♥♥♥♥ not? Also, talking about playing. It seems like you really really want to justify your opinion as fact as much as possible. Also, I guess you never played 30FPS games yourself. Look at Dead Rising 3. I havent noticed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of people saying how extremely horrendous it is, despite it has 30FPS. A lot of consoles games, Last Of Us for example. Seriously, seems like you're the who doesnt know what is he talkig about.

Have you even played Dead Rising 3 on PC? No... NOT WATCHED IT... played it?

As for have I played 30 FPS? Yes. In fact I have one of the most perfect examples... but its nothing I can show because you have to experience it yourself.

Brink, for whatever reason, has 30 FPS cap in single player but 60 in multiplayer. Simply going back and forth is a night and day difference. 30 FPS feels horrible, especially in anything where quick movement or aiming & accuracy is required.

YOU CAN NOT SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 30-60 FPS IN A VIDEO. Even if you do see a difference, its about the FEEL of 30 FPS and the only way you can understand the FEEL of 30 FPS is to actually play a PC title locked at 30 FPS with a mouse and keyboard, which you have yet give an example of doing.

Jesus H. Christ, calm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ down, I did played games with 30FPS, including many consoles ones (yeah, Last Of Us too) and I am personally ok with that and I didnt saw anything horrendoues, though IMHO, 60FPS are more pleasant. Also, please, again, remember that just because you think so - doesnt mean that everybody else thinks so. I am pretty sure some people who also played in 30FPS games are not as mad, as you and many others on this forum are. Not trying to offend you or something, but really, calm down.

[DogMeat]

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

Jesus H. Christ, calm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ down, I did played games with 30FPS, including many consoles ones (yeah, Last Of Us too) and I am personally ok with that and I didnt saw anything horrendoues, though IMHO, 60FPS are more pleasant. Also, please, again, remember that just because you think so - doesnt mean that everybody else thinks so. I am pretty sure some people who also played in 30FPS games are not as mad, as you and many others on this forum are. Not trying to offend you or something, but really, calm down.

CAN YOU NAME A SINGLE PC 30 FPS TITLE YOU HAVE PLAYED? I don't give a flying **** how many 30 locked console titles you have played. That isn't remotely the same thing. That you keep comparing this to console situations shows you have NO idea what you are talking about.

Its a simple question. Again, I've played Brink and L.A. Noire, luckily the only two I've played with that ♥♥♥♥ forced frame rate.

[Flowmad]

Showing 60 FPS footage on Youtube which only supports 30 FPS is a good way to demonstrate the difference.

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by DogMeat:

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

Jesus H. Christ, calm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ down, I did played games with 30FPS, including many consoles ones (yeah, Last Of Us too) and I am personally ok with that and I didnt saw anything horrendoues, though IMHO, 60FPS are more pleasant. Also, please, again, remember that just because you think so - doesnt mean that everybody else thinks so. I am pretty sure some people who also played in 30FPS games are not as mad, as you and many others on this forum are. Not trying to offend you or something, but really, calm down.

CAN YOU NAME A SINGLE PC 30 FPS TITLE YOU HAVE PLAYED?

Its a simple question. Again, I've played Brink and L.A. Noire, luckily the only two I've played with that ♥♥♥♥ forced frame rate.

Yes, I played L.A. Noire and I really enjoyed it, played in Brink also, not a really fun game, but in both of the cases, I didnt even noticed that they both are 30FPS games and unlike you I havent seen anytihng so disasterous, that I scream on the whole forum like a madman who sees dead people everywhere. Honestly, personally for me its hard to stop a huge difference between 30FPS and 60FPS. And again, lets not push each other's opinions down our throats. As I said, lets just wait for the game, then we will see who was right and who was wrong, though if you are SO overreactive, I think I already can see a result.

[DogMeat]

Originally posted by Flowmad:

Showing 60 FPS footage on Youtube which only supports 30 FPS is a good way to demonstrate the difference.

It wouldn't matter if it did show the difference. It doesn't let you experience the input lag which is the real killer of 30 fps capping.

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

Yes, I played L.A. Noire and I really enjoyed it, played in Brink also, not a really fun game, but in both of the cases, I didnt even noticed that they both are 30FPS games and unlike you I havent seen anytihng so disasterous, that I scream on the whole forum like a madman who sees dead people everywhere. Honestly, personally for me its hard to stop a huge difference between 30FPS and 60FPS. And again, lets not push each other's opinions down our throats. As I said, lets just wait for the game, then we will see who was right and who was wrong, though if you are SO overreactive, I think I already can see a result.

I don't see L.A. Noire in your list and I only see 2.5 hours in Brink. Was that in single player or multiplayer and have you switched between the two. Because if you can't tell the difference there is something wrong with your eyes.

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by Flowmad:

Showing 60 FPS footage on Youtube which only supports 30 FPS is a good way to demonstrate the difference.

They are actually supporting high quality in the videos for a pretty long time and that videos also have an option to chose HD quality. Congrats with waking up from cryostasis.

Originally posted by DogMeat:

Originally posted by Flowmad:

Showing 60 FPS footage on Youtube which only supports 30 FPS is a good way to demonstrate the difference.

It wouldn't matter if it did show the difference. It doesn't let you experience the input lag which is the real killer of 30 fps capping.

I guess you have pretty crappy PC if you experienced lags in L.A. Noire and Brink, cause I personally didnt had any even on my old computer that was complete ♥♥♥♥. I hate to say it, but maybe its a problem with your hardware and drivers, not with 30FPS?

[PetiteKerryJay]

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

Jesus H. Christ, calm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ down, I did played games with 30FPS, including many consoles ones (yeah, Last Of Us too) and I am personally ok with that and I didnt saw anything horrendoues, though IMHO, 60FPS are more pleasant. Also, please, again, remember that just because you think so - doesnt mean that everybody else thinks so. I am pretty sure some people who also played in 30FPS games are not as mad, as you and many others on this forum are. Not trying to offend you or something, but really, calm down.

What the hell lol? Where was DogMeat anything but calm? But anyway...

You say - "Also, please, again, remember that just because you think so - doesnt mean that everybody else thinks so. I am pretty sure some people who also played in 30FPS games are not as mad, as you and many others on this forum are."

Likewise, please remember that people have different sensitivities to lower frame rates and not everyone responds the same to them; hence people obviously react with different intensity. For me, 30FPS is absolutely unplayable because I am very sensitive to it and it causes eye strain, fatigue and horribly bad headaches but I haven't went on a rant and I do think people should talk with their wallets as opposed to mouthing off at the developer/publisher.

[DogMeat]

Originally posted by My grandma is a lesbian!:

What the hell lol? Where was DogMeat anything but calm? But anyway...

I assume that because I used caps to make a point he thinks that I am SCREAMING at the screen in rage. I admit I do find it irritating when someone is telling others to be calm about an issue they appear to understand doodley squat about.

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

I guess you have pretty crappy PC if you experienced lags in L.A. Noire and Brink, cause I personally didnt had any even on my old computer that was complete ♥♥♥♥. I hate to say it, but maybe its a problem with your hardware and drivers, not with 30FPS?

Did you not read what I wrote before? Brink runs butter smooth in multiplayer and horribly in single player. Its a game that is capped at 30 fps. When you switch between multiplayer and single player there is a drastic difference.

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by My grandma is a lesbian!:

Originally posted by John Smirnov:

Jesus H. Christ, calm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ down, I did played games with 30FPS, including many consoles ones (yeah, Last Of Us too) and I am personally ok with that and I didnt saw anything horrendoues, though IMHO, 60FPS are more pleasant. Also, please, again, remember that just because you think so - doesnt mean that everybody else thinks so. I am pretty sure some people who also played in 30FPS games are not as mad, as you and many others on this forum are. Not trying to offend you or something, but really, calm down.

What the hell lol? Where was DogMeat anything but calm? But anyway...

You say - "Also, please, again, remember that just because you think so - doesnt mean that everybody else thinks so. I am pretty sure some people who also played in 30FPS games are not as mad, as you and many others on this forum are."

Likewise, please remember that people have different sensitivities to lower frame rates and not everyone responds the same to them; hence people obviously react with different intensity. For me, 30FPS is absolutely unplayable because I am very sensitive to it and it causes eye strain, fatigue and horribly bad headaches but I haven't went on a rant and I do think people should talk with their wallets as opposed to mouthing off at the developer/publisher.

I am not the one who acts like mob who is out to burn a female who they personally see as a witch.