The Evil Within

The Evil Within

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DogMeat Apr 22, 2015 @ 4:17am
SPOILER Consequence ending/story discussion
So, Joseph presumably dies during the game. I was always disappointed that there was no direct confiirmation other than Sebastian saying that Kidman killed Joseph during the last sequence. However, in The Consequence as you come to the STEM tubs surrounding Ruvik's brain you can approach each tub. Both Dr. Jiminez & Connely's tubs are silent, while all other tubs including Joseph's have the sound of a heartbeat! A subtle clue that he is alive? Will this be an aspect of upcoming The Executioner (Keeper) DLC or sequel material...?

For those of you who have found all letter pieces... what do you think Ruvik's effect on people is? What of the Administrator and his threat of being a 'part' of Kidman? Do you think the Administrator even actually existed? I'm beginning to suspect that Myra was actually the Mobius leader.

Speaking of Myra... why her deceptions with her husband Sebastian? Was the daughter's death faked? Is this all some plot to get Sebastian involved? If so why? He appears to be nothing more than a hardened detective.

Have to say... still huge questions remaining but The Consequence actually managed to make me like the story even more.
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Darkside Apr 22, 2015 @ 7:57am 
I think Ruvik can now control any person he marked,even outside STEM system.That means we can meet ruvikapocalypse in sequel or DLC.
Sean Apr 22, 2015 @ 9:41am 
When Kidman in the police office, is she mentioned that Sebastian is not married?
stonersunshine Apr 22, 2015 @ 9:58am 
Bah Joseph is always dying or being shot, he's such a drama queen it's really hard to worry about whether he's dead or not.

The administrator I still think was mostly Ruvik. After reading the letter I see him saying he will be a part of Kidman as more a threat from Ruvik who apparently remains inside anyone who's been in STEM, including the administrator. With Kidman's standing with Mobius seemingly being unaffected at the end of the DLC you would have to assume they don't know much about what went on in STEM.

Then again there is that tape of Kidman being held in an interrogation room as a feisty reluctant prisoner before being brainwashed and made more complacent. Something like that isn't going to leave a person easily.

I couldn't help but notice Sebastian's end section and Kidmans were similar in concept. Kidman fights two enemies, Seb fights two box heads, before they both finally confront their now helpless game long antagonist who attacks with giant arms and finish them off. There's a bit of hollow wish fulfillment in Kidmans ending because she gets to shoot her boss and be free of her superiors in the same way Seb gets to blow Ruvik away with a bazooka.

Lots of implications for sequels with the wireless STEM and Ruvik apparently being like a virus.

Myra I don't know about, at the moment there's a lot that's confusing about her.

First off Kidman didn't know she or her daughter existed, how do you not know your boss' wife is missing?

If she was a part of Mobius from the beginning then why would she disappear and leave Seb clues to her investigation? Being a part of the missing persons department would've been a huge help to Mobius.

I guess I could see three explanations.

1) She joined the department as a mole for Mobius, covering up their involvement in various missing persons reports and marrying Sebastian as further cover. When the STEM project is nearing completion she fakes her disappearance because she no longer needs to be a part of KCPD and leaves Sebastian a file of red herrings. Sebastian is a closed off person and didn't talk about his missing wife much so Kidman never knew.

2) Everything happened as Sebastian's campaign says, when Myra goes missing she is brainwashed and works for Mobius. She was the voice for the computer in Mobius' buildings which would suggest a more personal and long term involvement.

3) Sebastian never had a wife and daughter, those were memories implanted by Ruvik in STEM to ensure Sebastian would have a reason to pursue Mobius if he ever escapes and also as a means to torment and break down Sebastian. A bit out there I suppose but I found it odd that in the credits she was listed as Myra rather than Myra Castellanos, without a second name like most characters. This would explain why Kidman has no knowledge of her and also make all the female mannikins and baby dolls a reference to Sebs family being fake. Doesn't explain Sebastians alcoholism.
DogMeat Apr 22, 2015 @ 10:49am 
^ Wasn't it Kidman's first day on the job? That could perhaps explain her not knowing about Myra. Also I highly doubt theory # 3 as Kidman also learns about Seb's wife and daughter. Sure, maybe Ruvik would want to trick Seb into thinking he had a wife and daughter... but why Kidman?

I like theory # 2. It would explain her letter to Sebastian warning him of the group. Also, the Mobius symbol on both Kidman & Myra's hands at the end may represent brainwashing.
Originally posted by DogMeat:
^ Wasn't it Kidman's first day on the job? That could perhaps explain her not knowing about Myra. Also I highly doubt theory # 3 as Kidman also learns about Seb's wife and daughter. Sure, maybe Ruvik would want to trick Seb into thinking he had a wife and daughter... but why Kidman?

I like theory # 2. It would explain her letter to Sebastian warning him of the group. Also, the Mobius symbol on both Kidman & Myra's hands at the end may represent brainwashing.

Personnal files indicate that Kidman has worked there a while already, so it wasn't her first day on the job.
DogMeat Apr 22, 2015 @ 2:04pm 
Originally posted by Scurrilous Straggler:
Personnal files indicate that Kidman has worked there a while already, so it wasn't her first day on the job.
My mistake. Either way they didn't seem like a very close or talkative group. Sebastian and Oda certainly have history but they seem a little cold to Kidman.
CheeseBoar Apr 22, 2015 @ 8:44pm 
"For those of you who have found all letter pieces... what do you think Ruvik's effect on people is? What of the Administrator and his threat of being a 'part' of Kidman? Do you think the Administrator even actually existed? I'm beginning to suspect that Myra was actually the Mobius leader."

I absolutely think the leader of Mobius existed, but Ruvik had taken him long before we had even heard of him before these DLC packs were released. As the second torn letter said, the administrator had entered the machine lusting for power a long time ago, and Ruvik would leave his mark on Kidman if she ever escaped just as he did with the administrator himself. Ruvik's ultimate plan was to basically turn himself into a virus that could spread to anyone who had been involved with STEM, and that includes the administrator. Ruvik had taken him since the second he had gotten anywhere near the machine.

I also think that the administrator taunting Kidman was mostly Ruvik the entire time, seeing as how Ruvik himself paused and called her "Kid" in the second torn letter; to me, that implied that he was revealing himself as the administrator, or at least having control over him.
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stonersunshine Apr 23, 2015 @ 3:41pm 
Kidman not knowing he has a wife still seems wierd, there are missing posters and everything. For number 3 I would be going on the assumption that she stepped into a false implanted memory but it is a bit of a reach. I'll have to pay more attention when I finally go through Kurayami.
Azaism Apr 23, 2015 @ 5:55pm 
I just want to know what Ruvik is supposed to be an anagram of...

It's mentioned in one of Jimenez's recordings that Ruvik is a name Mobius gave to Ruben after they trapped his mind in STEM, and that it's an insulting anagram of some sort. But I can not figure out what the hell that word would be.

The only word I could even find is kiruv, which is "the act or practice of bringing secularized Jews closer to Judaism as through seminars, meetings, and religious rituals." I somehow doubt that is it.
DogMeat Apr 23, 2015 @ 5:57pm 
Originally posted by Cla The Ninja:
I just want to know what Ruvik is supposed to be an anagram of...

It's mentioned in one of Jimenez's recordings that Ruvik is a name Mobius gave to Ruben after they trapped his mind in STEM, and that it's an insulting anagram of some sort. But I can not figure out what the hell that word would be.

The only word I could even find is kiruv, which is "the act or practice of bringing secularized Jews closer to Judaism as through seminars, meetings, and religious rituals." I somehow doubt that is it.
I simply assumed he was angered at combing his first and last name. Ru(ben)Vic(toriano).
Azaism Apr 23, 2015 @ 6:04pm 
Originally posted by DogMeat:
I simply assumed he was angered at combing his first and last name. Ru(ben)Vic(toriano).
That makes sense that's where the nickname comes from. (though why Ruvik instead of Ruvic?) But it's weird to call it an anagram (I don't think it technically qualifies), and it's certainly weird to see it as derogatory. "Ruvik" has be an insulting word in another language or something.
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Mazile Apr 23, 2015 @ 7:25pm 
IMHO, Joseph is alive, coz at the end when u approach room with people connected to STEM u can hear his heart beating unlike doc's or Connley's since we saw their's death
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Originally posted by Cla The Ninja:
Originally posted by DogMeat:
I simply assumed he was angered at combing his first and last name. Ru(ben)Vic(toriano).
That makes sense that's where the nickname comes from. (though why Ruvik instead of Ruvic?) But it's weird to call it an anagram (I don't think it technically qualifies), and it's certainly weird to see it as derogatory. "Ruvik" has be an insulting word in another language or something.

It is very derogatory. To reduce someone to a combination of their names? Not even asking them, taking away their personal identity, and making them just a garbled mess of who they were? It's adding insult to the injury they did to him.
DogMeat Apr 24, 2015 @ 9:18am 
Originally posted by Scurrilous Straggler:
It is very derogatory. To reduce someone to a combination of their names? Not even asking them, taking away their personal identity, and making them just a garbled mess of who they were? It's adding insult to the injury they did to him.
Well said! If there is some deeper/alternate meaning I'd love to hear any thoughts but I'm pretty sure its this.

It was mainly interesting because I had no idea that Dr. Jiminez cared at all for Ruben. Assumed he was using him for personal gain, much like Ruvik said in one of his audio logs. Perhaps he became as a parent or mentor to him over the years.
Azaism Apr 24, 2015 @ 11:39pm 
I don't know. I just don't see it to be honest. Ruvik still comes off closer to a friendly nickname than an insult to me. Like if you have friend named Christopher and you call him Topher, that's not really an insult just cause you reduced the name. Or like how people call Jennifer Lopez JLo. If you played around with the letters in Ruben's full name to make an insulting word, that would be one thing. But making a new name by combing parts of the full name doesn't strike me as negative.
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