Game Crashing in Modern Hardware

[Warbreaker]

I have the following spec:

• Ryzen 5 3600x
  
• NVidia RTX 2060 SUPER
  
• 32GB RAM

I cannot even walk into the hospital starting the game, silent crashes, I have tried about anything, unlocked FPS, locked to 60, disabled letterbox and no luck.

I know this is an old game but I just started this genre, I just finished playing Resident Evil 7 and 2 remake and got pretty hyped but now have been trying to play The Evil Within series and cannot...

[Erebus]

Messaggio originale di Warbreaker:

Some old games have issues with newer GPU and/or drivers which is why I'm hoping one of the graphic settings that can only be passed as a parameter could be the issue.

Yes, it is still crashing with the audio set to DVD quality.

Off the wall solution you could try something like DXVK to wrap the games API calls, though idk if the game even likes that.

[Warbreaker]

Messaggio originale di Erebus:

Off the wall solution you could try something like DXVK to wrap the games API calls, though idk if the game even likes that.

It crossed my mind, where would you copy the DXVK DLLs?

[Warbreaker]

Messaggio originale di Warbreaker:

It crossed my mind, where would you copy the DXVK DLLs?

It just works, you only need to drop the latest job generated DLLs into "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\TheEvilWithin" folder, I enabled the HUD just to check it was working and it is, thanks for giving me that idea, let's see if that fixes it.

The DLLs are usually at https://git.froggi.es/doitsujin/dxvk/-/jobs

[Warbreaker]

Hmm, no luck, doesn't like ambulance cutscene, oh well...

[Erebus]

Messaggio originale di Warbreaker:

Hmm, no luck, doesn't like ambulance cutscene, oh well...

Are you hardware clocks fully stable?

I'm running out of ideas if 2 diff apis crashed

[Warbreaker]

Messaggio originale di Erebus:

Are you hardware clocks fully stable?
I'm running out of ideas if 2 diff apis crashed

Yeah, besides sporadic crashes we get on Ryzen with Windows 10 I can play for hours any other game, one good example is Red Dead Redemption 2 which was problematic at launch.

I don't like overclocking so everything is set as default, I also finished playing Resident Evil 7 and 2 and had no issues with them, once RE2 crashes but after a 6 hours section.

[Erebus]

Messaggio originale di Warbreaker:

Messaggio originale di Erebus:

Are you hardware clocks fully stable?
I'm running out of ideas if 2 diff apis crashed

Yeah, besides sporadic crashes we get on Ryzen with Windows 10

Could you elaborate on that? Cause I have a 3900x and Win 10 and typically leave my comp running for weeks.

[Warbreaker]

Messaggio originale di Erebus:

Could you elaborate on that? Cause I have a 3900x and Win 10 and typically leave my comp running for weeks.

I could leave my computer running for weeks, but I don't, I turn it off every night but it is not always on Windows, I dual boot when working on Linux, specially now that working from home is more of a thing.

Ryzen tends to BSOD and this is my 2nd Ryzen PC, my old Ryzen 5 1600x I gave it to my son, but the problem got much worse with Nvidia RTX 20xx for whatever reason, some games run flawlessly but others constantly crash.

I don't think I'm going to be able to solve this problem, it is only a shame, such a good game and being screwed by architectural differences...

[Erebus]

Messaggio originale di Warbreaker:

Messaggio originale di Erebus:

Could you elaborate on that? Cause I have a 3900x and Win 10 and typically leave my comp running for weeks.

I could leave my computer running for weeks, but I don't, I turn it off every night but it is not always on Windows, I dual boot when working on Linux, specially now that working from home is more of a thing.

Ryzen tends to BSOD and this is my 2nd Ryzen PC, my old Ryzen 5 1600x I gave it to my son, but the problem got much worse with Nvidia RTX 20xx for whatever reason, some games run flawlessly but others constantly crash.

I don't think I'm going to be able to solve this problem, it is only a shame, such a good game and being screwed by architectural differences...

If you're BSODing I'd start with the basics.

Repairing issues with DISM using RestoreHealth option
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Type the following command to repair the Windows 10 image and press Enter:

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

p95 blend for CPU stress test (make sure good cooling).

HCI memtest: https://hcidesign.com/memtest/download.html

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BSODs lead me to believe something else might be amiss. I've only seen one game recently where CPU arch caused issues and that was fixed in a BIOS update.

[Warbreaker]

I have an aftermarket CPU cooler and I already visited your sticky thread, I already ran a repair, I have also ran memtest86 a whole night after went to bed when RDR2 was crashing but indeed it was because BIOS prior to AMD AgesaPI 1.0.0.4ab patch

My RAM is just using the default XMP profile running at 3200 MHz, nothing fancy really, I could blame MSI, my motherboard at work is an Asus and never had a crashing or freezing issue but on MSI from time to time there is a crash, at least every few days here and there.

[Erebus]

Messaggio originale di Warbreaker:

I have an aftermarket CPU cooler and I already visited your sticky thread, I already ran a repair, I have also ran memtest86 a whole night after went to bed when RDR2 was crashing but indeed it was because BIOS prior to AMD AgesaPI 1.0.0.4ab patch

My RAM is just using the default XMP profile running at 3200 MHz, nothing fancy really, I could blame MSI, my motherboard at work is an Asus and never had a crashing or freezing issue but on MSI from time to time there is a crash, at least every few days here and there.

I'd try HCI, it's the only one I've found that catches everything. Just to rule it out cause BSODs leaves me to believe there might be some underlying quirk somewhere.

XMP is hit or miss the board support, the DIMMs rated specs, and the CPU memory controller support doesn't always guarantee perfect stability. For most of my 3900x's lifespan I've had to run my memory at lower clocks due to most the BIOS/AGESA versions not playing nicely with anything over 3000mhz (probably cause my sticks are dual-rank). I actually had to run memory "worse" with my 3900x than I did with a 2700x everything else the same.

Unfortunately the QVL, RAM specs, and etc. are only a "rough" guideline. Not a 100% guarantee.

Course it might not be the issue, but it's worth checking imo. Also worth noting of late I've heard of reports where the factory clocks on various GPUs aren't 100% stable either. Sometimes read up on reports from people with AIB cards that had to drop freq a bit to get stable in everything.

Again though this is all just spitballing cause I'm not exactly sure why it won't run for you. Especially since idtech 5 typically has hated AMD GPUs but done alright with all other kinds of hardware.

[Warbreaker]

I think I just discovered the reasons, I'm looking now how to limit the max CPU speed, not ideal but whatever can make these BSOD go away, here are some interesting discussions matching the problem I have (I have a B450 TOMAHAWK MAX):
- https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/evlcr3/bsod_with_b450_tomahawk/
- https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=330195.0

I don't think it is the XMP nor the RAM, I got lucky there, also; I went for two sticks of 16GB RAM each to minimize the chances of bad timings which are more probable when you get 4 sticks AFAIK.

The thing is that these BSOD are a symptom to a bigger problem, they don't manifest the same way with every game, maybe for all games where less CPUs are used the speed of core used is able to scale higher but with more modern multiple CPUs are used making their max speed be lower.

Just a theory if you take into account how CPU base and max speed scale depending on how many CPUs are busy simultaneously.

[Warbreaker]

After some research it seems that modifying how Ryzen auto clocks and manage its power is the way to go for the moment, you might be interested in this article which also introduces a new Windows 10 Power Plan:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/2.html

I'll be testing this.

[Erebus]

Messaggio originale di Warbreaker:

I think I just discovered the reasons, I'm looking now how to limit the max CPU speed, not ideal but whatever can make these BSOD go away, here are some interesting discussions matching the problem I have (I have a B450 TOMAHAWK MAX):
- https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/evlcr3/bsod_with_b450_tomahawk/
- https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=330195.0

I don't think it is the XMP nor the RAM, I got lucky there, also; I went for two sticks of 16GB RAM each to minimize the chances of bad timings which are more probable when you get 4 sticks AFAIK.

The thing is that these BSOD are a symptom to a bigger problem, they don't manifest the same way with every game, maybe for all games where less CPUs are used the speed of core used is able to scale higher but with more modern multiple CPUs are used making their max speed be lower.

Just a theory if you take into account how CPU base and max speed scale depending on how many CPUs are busy simultaneously.

It's worth investigating at least, lest there be some sort of underlying issue that could become bigger later.

Messaggio originale di Warbreaker:

I don't think it is the XMP nor the RAM, I got lucky there, also; I went for two sticks of 16GB RAM each to minimize the chances of bad timings which are more probable when you get 4 sticks AFAIK.

I have the same rough setup. Two 16GB DIMMs, except mine are rated for 3600 mhz. Anything above 3000 and I couldn't even properly boot up (until later AGESA/BIOS versions).

Worth noting again might not be the issue but XMP does count as an OC technically, and it can make things harder to get stable over on the CPU side in extreme cases.

Messaggio originale di Warbreaker:

After some research it seems that modifying how Ryzen auto clocks and manage its power is the way to go for the moment, you might be interested in this article which also introduces a new Windows 10 Power Plan:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/2.html

I'll be testing this.

Interesting let me know your findings.

[Warbreaker]

I just got good news, can play flawlessly now with BIOS prior to 1.0.0.3ABBA at least have been doing for 1 hour, will tell if it fail, see reply #11 which has a screenshot of BSOD reports:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=337772.0;prev_next=prev#new

So basically I downgraded from BIOS version 7C02v36 to 7C02v32, here is the BIOS support page for my motherboard if you are curious about release notes, see; that version is just the latest before 1.0.0.3ABBA patch, so looks like 1.0.0.3AB patch is fine, but no further:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX