The Balancing in this game is Atrocious.

[Proudly Toxic]

I see people complaining about the modern themes in this game. I'm going to be galaxy brained and instead actually complain about the gameplay.

I expected this to be a game where I would use the job system to tailor a well balanced team that could handle any situation thrown at it by being able to hit a variety of weaknesses, that I'd adjust further if I found that there was a pattern to enemy types in a specific area.

Instead the game has abilities that give you bonus damage and crit chance if you have duplicates of the same archetype in your party, and gives you access to a Phys Almighty skill with 35% crit chance before the first real dungeon.

Phys Almighty will benefit from Heat Up and from Discipline, since its a Physical Skill, despite doing Almighty damage. Because its Almighty, it will bypass phys repel, phys resist, phys null, and even phys absorb.

Because you can get its crit chance to 55% with 4 people going merchant, it is more effective than trying to hit weaknesses since you'll almost always crit and do more damage thanks to the 40% damage boost from Heat Up.

It costs money, but Merchant on the protag is a money printer anytime you kill lower level enemies in the overworld. So if you ever are running low on money, you can just go back to Akademia in whatever dungeon you are to force respawn all spawns in your current level to go whack a moling for cash.

I just did the second story dungeon, I'm thinking of stopping here, since I now also have access to sukunda, tarunda and rakunda as consumable items. The story boss was unable to get any of my party members below half HP, and if it wasn't for the fact he has a phase hp gate that stops you from killing him, I would've skipped his entire second phase with this strategy.

Do yourself a favor and skip this game if you haven't bought it yet. Who at atlus thought it was a good idea to give Phys Almighty to your character WITH NO MP COST this early in the game?

Phys Almighty has been Meta in every atlus RPG it has been available in.

[Unforgiven]

Escrito originalmente por Mayo:

Escrito originalmente por Unforgiven:

Ye 1 phase of 1 boss, amazing

Ah, so we're moving the goalposts again. Let's do four in a row then.

"They're not playing Hard because my Tycoon can't do more than 15k"

"Tycoon can't do more than 40k"

"Last 3 bosses don't use single target attacks"

"Only 1 phase of the Last Boss uses single target attacks."

https://youtu.be/jLN8nV4u-U0?si=0bFAKgELmQUpmrov

What's next?

I never said tycoon can't do 40k, I said the build the guy on the screen had can't do 40k. If you're gonna mince words do it properly smart ass
And 1 phase of a single boss out of literally every lategame boss doesn't justify running knight solely for the taunt.

[Mayo]

So what are the last 3 bosses that only have AOE attacks?

Edit: For the record, I don't think taunt works too great either unless its specifically on Hulkenberg since it generates turns that way, but I also don't make ♥♥♥♥ up to justify my arguments.

[Unforgiven]

Escrito originalmente por Mayo:

So what are the last 3 bosses that only have AOE attacks?

Fire Dragon, Devourer of Nations, Destroyer charadrius phase 2
Any other boss using it isn't even relevant because they have no mechanics anyways, this was about justifying a slot for taunt, not if some boss is hard or not

I didn't make anything up dog, you not knowing bosses isn't my problem and you picking 1 specific bosses phase where you just burn the hp is hilarious. Go play your 40k tycoons

[bruh]

welcome to SMT combat where either you are overpowered or the enemy is

[Mayo]

Escrito originalmente por Unforgiven:

Escrito originalmente por Mayo:

So what are the last 3 bosses that only have AOE attacks?

Fire Dragon, Devourer of Nations, Destroyer charadrius phase 2
Any other boss using it isn't even relevant because they have no mechanics anyways, this was about justifying a slot for taunt, not if some boss is hard or not

The first video you replied to IS Charadrius phase 2 at full power.

Since you don't even care when evidence of your nonsense is presented to you, the boss used in order - Jaluzo Eye (single target), Slam (single target), Hadean Icecrag (AOE), Sabura's Ink (single target), Focused Shot (single target), Gorleo Wing's beat (single target) and Destructor's Flare (AOE).

Redscale Dragon has Loathsome Claw, Purple Toxiclaw, Puppeteer's Claw.

Devourer of Nations has Loathsome Claw and Boneclaw Slash

Devourer of Stars has Boneclaw Slash and Purple Toxiclaw.

And all dragons also have Great Fireball, which is also single target.

You could probably have found this out in 1 minute with google. But you know what, it's fine. You win.

[Unforgiven]

Escrito originalmente por Mayo:

Escrito originalmente por Unforgiven:

Fire Dragon, Devourer of Nations, Destroyer charadrius phase 2
Any other boss using it isn't even relevant because they have no mechanics anyways, this was about justifying a slot for taunt, not if some boss is hard or not

The first video you replied to IS Charadrius phase 2 at full power.

Since you don't even care when evidence of your nonsense is presented to you, the boss used in order - Jaluzo Eye (single target), Slam (single target), Hadean Icecrag (AOE), Sabura's Ink (single target), Focused Shot (single target), Gorleo Wing's beat (single target) and Destructor's Flare (AOE).

Redscale Dragon has Loathsome Claw, Purple Toxiclaw, Puppeteer's Claw.

Devourer of Nations has Loathsome Claw and Boneclaw Slash

Devourer of Stars has Boneclaw Slash and Purple Toxiclaw.

And all dragons also have Great Fireball, which is also single target.

You could probably have found this out in 1 minute with google. But you know what, it's fine. You win.

My dragons never used any single target in 2 playthroughs, I suppose if you fight them for 20 turns at some point they do
Ofc I win, you think tycoons break the game, that's an auto win

Did you actually see the dragons use it or did you just look at their skills? In my first playthrough I fought the fire Dragon for 4 turns and it didn't use single target, neither did Devourer of stars

[Mayo]

Escrito originalmente por Unforgiven:

Did you actually see the dragons use it or did you just look at their skills? In my first playthrough I fought the fire Dragon for 4 turns and it didn't use single target, neither did Devourer of stars

Yeah, my first playthrough wasn't 4 tycoons after all. It's because I was deleting turns with Hulkenberg Taunt the first time around that i'm pretty confident they use single target skills and don't think taunt is necessarily useless, just hard to justify. They spam their claw moves enough that taunt can come in clutch, especially when it's keeping status from being inflicted on a character you need for synthesis. Fireball not so much.

Escrito originalmente por Unforgiven:

Ofc I win, you think tycoons break the game, that's an auto win

Tycoons break the game, so do other classes.

[Unforgiven]

Escrito originalmente por Mayo:

Escrito originalmente por Unforgiven:

Did you actually see the dragons use it or did you just look at their skills? In my first playthrough I fought the fire Dragon for 4 turns and it didn't use single target, neither did Devourer of stars

Yeah, my first playthrough wasn't 4 tycoons after all. It's because I was deleting turns with Hulkenberg Taunt the first time around that i'm pretty confident they use single target skills and don't think taunt is necessarily useless, just hard to justify. They spam their claw moves enough that taunt can come in clutch, especially when it's keeping status from being inflicted on a character you need for synthesis. Fireball not so much.

Escrito originalmente por Unforgiven:

Ofc I win, you think tycoons break the game, that's an auto win

Tycoons break the game, so do other classes.

Not this again, they do break the game yes but not even close to some other classes, then again, most bosses having only 30k hp (or 50k for last ones) basically any class can break the game
Only stupid thing is that some classes even with insane setup just deal no damage.
Like dragoon with 99 mag, full passives and 4 gunners hitting 1/5th of elemental master severe skill damage with it's extreme synthesis, it just makes no sense

I only remember the devourer of nations doing some claw attack, then again i killed them all in very few turns so might be just that

[NeoCelestial]

So... You've just realized that you can optimize builds in an RPG, and when you optimize your builds, the game gets easier...(?)

Even when Atlus games are well-known for having most of the challenge within the optional encounters and not in the main-story?

Here, a video of someone defeating an optional boss that's harder than any main boss in just one turn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK08anT-_-8&ab_channel=Aidel

And we all know what happens if you aren't able to nuke Elegy of the Soul in a couple of rounds... He just nukes your entire party when he gets below 25% HP

Whatever, I don't even know why are you complaining? I mean, Tycoon just EXISTS and you're talking like it is absolutely mandatory for your entire squad to use Tycoons, like... WTF? You found a cheese strat and suddenly you're complaining and telling people to don't buy what's probably the best Atlus Turn-Based RPG ever just because of it?

I mean, you can just nuke almost everything in the game after you get Armageddon's Final Sire but it's not like that's entirely mandatory and you can't play the game without it, I mean... That's just there, use the thing if you want, don't use it if you don't like cheesing, that's just it.

[Shadowlet]

Escrito originalmente por NeoCelestial:

So... You've just realized that you can optimize builds in an RPG, and when you optimize your builds, the game gets easier...(?)

Even when Atlus games are well-known for having most of the challenge within the optional encounters and not in the main-story?

Here, a video of someone defeating an optional boss that's harder than any main boss in just one turn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK08anT-_-8&ab_channel=Aidel

And we all know what happens if you aren't able to nuke Elegy of the Soul in a couple of rounds... He just nukes your entire party when he gets below 25% HP

Whatever, I don't even know why are you complaining? I mean, Tycoon just EXISTS and you're talking like it is absolutely mandatory for your entire squad to use Tycoons, like... WTF? You found a cheese strat and suddenly you're complaining and telling people to don't buy what's probably the best Atlus Turn-Based RPG ever just because of it?

I mean, you can just nuke almost everything in the game after you get Armageddon's Final Sire but it's not like that's entirely mandatory and you can't play the game without it, I mean... That's just there, use the thing if you want, don't use it if you don't like cheesing, that's just it.

Brother necroed a thread from October so he could find somewhere to dump his essay lmao

[Chronic Complainer Reviews]

Escrito originalmente por Proudly Toxic:

I see people complaining about the modern themes in this game. I'm going to be galaxy brained and instead actually complain about the gameplay.

I expected this to be a game where I would use the job system to tailor a well balanced team that could handle any situation thrown at it by being able to hit a variety of weaknesses, that I'd adjust further if I found that there was a pattern to enemy types in a specific area.

Instead the game has abilities that give you bonus damage and crit chance if you have duplicates of the same archetype in your party, and gives you access to a Phys Almighty skill with 35% crit chance before the first real dungeon.

Phys Almighty will benefit from Heat Up and from Discipline, since its a Physical Skill, despite doing Almighty damage. Because its Almighty, it will bypass phys repel, phys resist, phys null, and even phys absorb.

Because you can get its crit chance to 55% with 4 people going merchant, it is more effective than trying to hit weaknesses since you'll almost always crit and do more damage thanks to the 40% damage boost from Heat Up.

It costs money, but Merchant on the protag is a money printer anytime you kill lower level enemies in the overworld. So if you ever are running low on money, you can just go back to Akademia in whatever dungeon you are to force respawn all spawns in your current level to go whack a moling for cash.

I just did the second story dungeon, I'm thinking of stopping here, since I now also have access to sukunda, tarunda and rakunda as consumable items. The story boss was unable to get any of my party members below half HP, and if it wasn't for the fact he has a phase hp gate that stops you from killing him, I would've skipped his entire second phase with this strategy.

Do yourself a favor and skip this game if you haven't bought it yet. Who at atlus thought it was a good idea to give Phys Almighty to your character WITH NO MP COST this early in the game?

Phys Almighty has been Meta in every atlus RPG it has been available in.

I Beat the game last week, as I took a break around the very end of the game to play other games like Path of Exile 2 and such.

Tycoon and Merchant is very strong, however I never ran a full team of this type ever throughout the entire game, and in fact I beat the final boss and the final final secret boss without using the class at all because at that point you get access to a skill that does guaranteed 9999 damage. During the game progression, with protagonist as Tycoon, an item that doubles crit damage, and the weapon that increases gold cost and gold skill damage, I could easily hit any enemy in the game for 5k +, maybe with an attack buff from another character. There are some enemy types and fights in the game I think I actually would have severely struggled with to beat, if this was not the case.

Unfortunately as you progress through the game, enemies have little or no weakness at all. Physical melee skills are often repelled, or are not a weakness. Most elemental magic skills are not a weakness on any stronger enemies, and when they are it will likely be Light or Dark towards the end of game, and not an easier element.

This means as you progress through the game, you can use team for support, and kill everything with protagonist, or your other team mates are required to have skills that inflict a weakness, so that they can actually do damage the following turn. I did this with 1 team member, to inflict fire weakness, and in a future following turn, hit enemies with an aoe fire skill that removes all buffs, if needed, while they used trickster mask to non stop debuff enemies themselves. Ive never seen the skill hit over 2k. My other party member Hulkenberg, was just a tank, that healed team with Mediline. My last member was Heismey, and his only job was to dodge, and drain the enemy of all their turn icons.

With this strategy, I breezed through the entire game, and by time I had to do the final boss fight, I had the Royal Archetype unlocked for every character, max leveled, and in use during the final fight, including on the protagonist.

I will be doing another playthrough specifically trying to not use Tycoon / Merchant, especially since money will be pretty much useless (I have 5m money) in next playthrough.

Having done a 100% playthrough, I have basically everything in the game anyways, so its just a matter of creating my own difficulty, by playing differently.

This is pretty different from say Persona 5, where you can swap personas, fuse god like personas together over a long permutation to create a persona immune to 99% of attacks. Theres no DLC that gives you access to Archetypes that trivialize the entire game. Etc Etc.

As for enemy types and weaknesses, pretty frequently is depends on the specific floor of a dungeon, or area your in. Like early game fighting tons of undead weak to light damage, then later on fighting troops, who are armored, and resist Light damage. You have to adapt to the situation, or adapt your gameplay to trivialize this aspect.

[Greldinart]

lol you arent forced to redo dungeon, farm etc because if you are too higher lvl it willb e boring xp one hit, boring boss...
the problem is people trying to optimize and overlelving rather than the game is bad,

[Abysswalker]

Has anyone told him about sublime spoonful yet? I killed the secret NG+ boss without it getting a single turn on regicide lol. Good thing I didnt found that OP item in my first PT and infact I was going 100% blind so I had my fun there.

[Proudly Toxic]

This thread is from October and all knowledge in it was from when the game released.

I don't know why this thread was necro'd.

[Flesh]

No idea why OP didn't just....not use it? You can't complain about min maxing and then go on to say "Well man I don't want the difficulty the game offers"

Nice necro though, props to whoever did that, this was an AMAZING read. Very funny.