Did anyone else find Strohls usefulness in combat plummet after mid-game?

[otakon17]

Or was I just using him wrong? It seemed like his damage trailed off *significantly* and even when I finally unlocked his secret Archetype, the final party member still outshined him in terms of damage and survivability.

[Freya Crescent]

I used 'final party member' and Strohl together, actually. FPM uses alot of Strike attacks and Strohl uses Slash, but both can be made into Critical-dealing monsters with good survivability (in part to the Archetypes they must learn) and the value of Crits is not be underestimated: using only half a Turn Icon regardless of Weak/Resist while also dealing alot of damage makes them great.

Of course, I'm not doing the 43k damage other people seem to do... but without minmaxing it carried me through the campaign and last fight well enough.

[otakon17]

Originally posted by Freya Crescent:

I used 'final party member' and Strohl together, actually. FPM uses alot of Strike attacks and Strohl uses Slash, but both can be made into Critical-dealing monsters with good survivability (in part to the Archetypes they must learn) and the value of Crits is not be underestimated: using only half a Turn Icon regardless of Weak/Resist while also dealing alot of damage makes them great.

Of course, I'm not doing the 43k damage other people seem to do... but without minmaxing it carried me through the campaign and last fight well enough.

Strohl took tons of damage compared to Basilio even with comparable equipment and stats I swear. And I never saw Strohl's damage reach good numbers I swear.

[Freya Crescent]

Originally posted by otakon17:

Strohl took tons of damage compared to Basilio even with comparable equipment and stats I swear. And I never saw Strohl's damage reach good numbers I swear.

Around end of the game I was about level 75ish and my Basilio was doing about 3300 damage with the Weakpoints he created on repeat with his first skill... by using a full suite of passives and a yellow-tier weapon that all increased Strike damage specifically. However, he didn't really have any AoE since all 4 inherits were damage/crit passives.

My Strohl filled that last part well, using his special Archetype's Vorpal Blade to deal about 1600-2000 damage to all targets without weakness, and applying ATK down... for 18 MP per cast. Brave Blade took closer to 40 MP but with the increased crit stacks he did close to 2500 damage single target and frequently only needed half a turn icon to do so.
However, he could ONLY do slashing... which sucks. If an enemy was immune to Slash, Strohl played the role of my buffer/item user. I have another thread about useful items but if it came to him being totally useless, I swapped him out.

My other normal party member was Heismay as a Dodge-Tank... because his special Archetype's passives are brokenly good for bossing... and I can't stand not having someone to Steal in a narrative RPG lmao.

[afiefakbar]

Tell you what, I 1 shot endgame bosses and 2 shot Final boss with Strohl. 20-40k damage.
(SPOILER)

Heismay [Dragoon, Utilitarian Manual from Alonzo Rank 7] - Synthesis-Mania Bullet (inflict weak to Slash)
MC (Prince) - Hero's Cry (gain 4 Icons)
Junah [Royal Masked Dancer] - Vidyartha (inherited from Trickster) to boss
Strohl [Royal Warrior, Beloved Greatsword, Arcane Unity (inherited from Wizard), Slash Boost (inherited from Warrior)] - Charge (inherited from Berserker)
Heismay - Evil Eye Talisman (drop from cyclops)
MC - Vitalja (inherited from Magic Seeker) to Strohl
Junah - Skip turn
Strohl - Front Row, Synthesis-Peerless Stonecleaver
Profit

[fairtoki]

Umm..... Strohl get "Hassou tobi" so.... It you played SMT, You know...

[otakon17]

Originally posted by fairtoki:

Umm..... Strohl get "Hassou tobi" so.... It you played SMT, You know...

It *sucks* in this game, it barely does 100 damage a hit, I've never seen it crit once. Like the best damage I've seen him do is around 10K. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

[Pencillus Sedatus]

for me, he is one of the hardest hitter, and extends to late game, esp with his elite archetype, so i have the opposite experience...

[otakon17]

Originally posted by Pencillus Sedatus:

for me, he is one of the hardest hitter, and extends to late game, esp with his elite archetype, so i have the opposite experience...

What am I doing wrong? Like he
performed *okay* in the final battle and against the minibosses but not this ground shattering 10k+ crit damage.

[Tiasmoon]

Strohl's final archtype doesnt get any resistance removing/piercing skills. So you'd need to use him with Masked Dancer or hes going to suck since like all bosses in the endgame have reflect/all..

[Aoitenshi]

Basilio inherently has higher STR, so you need to feed Sthrol some STR incense to make him more viable.

[Xeilua]

Strohl never left my party and whooped ass all the way through. His Gold Rush crits and commander buffs were always useful and my MC frequently used him for synergies.

[Comatose Dolphin]

Originally posted by Aoitenshi:

Basilio inherently has higher STR, so you need to feed Sthrol some STR incense to make him more viable.

And master jobs more. Preferrably the str oriented ones. Some of people get busted late game. Heismay with the 99 agility lol

[AkaRai]

I just got recommended a video on youtube for a Strohl build where he does 99,999 damage, so I guess experiences vary.

[otakon17]

Originally posted by AkaRai:

I just got recommended a video on youtube for a Strohl build where he does 99,999 damage, so I guess experiences vary.

You mind posting said video? Because he's actually got *higher* strength than Basilio at 99 vs 87 and this is *with* every class mastered. Yes I spent a LOT of hours grinding to max folks out.

[AkaRai]

Originally posted by otakon17:

You mind posting said video? Because he's actually got *higher* strength than ||Basilio|| at 99 vs 87 and this is *with* every class mastered. Yes I spent a LOT of hours grinding to max folks out.

Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlj3NHeFvuc