So...Communism

[Baal]

So it appears this game was written by people who view communism as some sort of utopia, but never lived it and think it's an ideal form of government. Maybe there'll be a plot twist, but given how modern day writing in video games go, I won't hold my breath.

[hush]

I don't think you understand what communism is.

[Drako110]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Originally posted by zero:

very funny that when you saw the word utopia you thought of communism as your go-to.

Apparently in the minds of some (many?) ideals are dead to the point idealism is now considered communism.

Ah yes idealism, and good intentions.
Did you heard that the roads in hell are pawed with those?

Considering my country was unfortunately under communism, I think about it as dystopia.
Utopia is when gov leaves you the ♥♥♥♥ alone.
So I doubt this game system will be that.

[N/A]

Originally posted by Drako110:

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Apparently in the minds of some (many?) ideals are dead to the point idealism is now considered communism.

Ah yes idealism, and good intentions.
Did you heard that the roads in hell are pawed with those?

Considering my country was unfortunately under communism, I think about it as dystopia.
Utopia is when gov leaves you the ♥♥♥♥ alone.
So I doubt this game system will be that.

If you are Russian or thereabouts then you have a string of specific people to thank for that.
If you are Russian then your country is a glorified demilitarized zone because expansionist bs and the US influence on the global market thanks to ww2. Capitalism got really lucky and eventually that luck is going to run out. I'm completely neutral btw.

Neither system is good or bad, they are just systems. It's people who never miss a step in ruining everything by being horrible.

You can argue about all of this until you are blue in the face but it won't change anything.

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by rupsch:

I know that it is a book depicting an idealized version of our real world, but in the context of the game world, that would have some gruelling implications.

But is it tho?

Originally posted by Drako110:

Ah yes idealism, and good intentions.
Did you heard that the roads in hell are pawed with those?

Considering my country was unfortunately under communism, I think about it as dystopia.
Utopia is when gov leaves you the ♥♥♥♥ alone.
So I doubt this game system will be that.

What do you know of idealism if you equate it to communism?
If you believe that all good intentions lead to hell then you already live in hell and decided to give up on trying to get out of it. It is that kind of mindset that allows evil rulers to keep ruling a people. If noone is willing to look for and try to create a brighter future, then its always going to stay bad.

[allknowingeel]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Originally posted by zero:

very funny that when you saw the word utopia you thought of communism as your go-to.

Apparently in the minds of some (many?) ideals are dead to the point idealism is now considered communism.

I think it's because of a line that was something along the lines of "Where the rich and poor are as one", essentially getting rid of that. And in Communism, there is no rich and poor, making them as one. Now this is probably just reading too much into it. It's a fantasy after all.

[Shin Dan]

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[Senf]

I just left with the Runner for the first time. So far, what the book describes is some form liberal democracy. Maybe a very egalitarian one.

Nothing about violent revolution, wealth redistribution, and creating a new man, or did I miss that?

[archonsod]

Originally posted by allknowingeel:

I think it's because of a line that was something along the lines of "Where the rich and poor are as one", essentially getting rid of that. And in Communism, there is no rich and poor, making them as one. Now this is probably just reading too much into it. It's a fantasy after all.

It is. The book is a vision of modern Japan as interpreted by More. It's not so much that the society described is egalitarian as we'd see it, but for someone who's used to a feudal society where the rich live in castles and quite literally lord it over the peasants in their villages you can see how modern Tokyo might be a bit confusing.
I think Catherina is the only one who espouses something close to a communist revolution, but even there she's more Les Miserables than Marx.

[Brometheus]

It's more a liberal democracy than Communism. People seem to have forgotten that Communism is where the government controls the means of production and distribution of product and goods.

The game very much advocates for the people being able to choose their government and elected leaders vs that of a monarch or a communist system where the ruling body of government handpicks either publicly or covertly who the leaders are without input from the public.

Socialism is not Communism and it seems that distinction has been lost much to the detriment of being able to have civil political conversations.

[Haseo]

Originally posted by Brometheus:

It's more a liberal democracy than Communism. People seem to have forgotten that Communism is where the government controls the means of production and distribution of product and goods.

The game very much advocates for the people being able to choose their government and elected leaders vs that of a monarch or a communist system where the ruling body of government handpicks either publicly or covertly who the leaders are without input from the public.

Socialism is not Communism and it seems that distinction has been lost much to the detriment of being able to have civil political conversations.

"People seem to have forgotten that Communism is where the government" lmao

[Ryu_Sheng]

Originally posted by Baal:

So it appears this game was written by people who view communism as some sort of utopia, but never lived it and think it's an ideal form of government. Maybe there'll be a plot twist, but given how modern day writing in video games go, I won't hold my breath.

Thing is true Communism IS a utopia. The problem is that where there's people, there's greed and a lust for power, which warps the ideal into something else.

[OshinoArarougi]

Originally posted by Ryu_Sheng:

Originally posted by Baal:

So it appears this game was written by people who view communism as some sort of utopia, but never lived it and think it's an ideal form of government. Maybe there'll be a plot twist, but given how modern day writing in video games go, I won't hold my breath.

Thing is true Communism IS a utopia. The problem is that where there's people, there's greed and a lust for power, which warps the ideal into something else.

Capitalism is a utopia too under certain conditions as well. Everything can be a utopia if it just so happens that everyone is happily cooperating

[archonsod]

Originally posted by Brometheus:

People seem to have forgotten that Communism is where the government controls the means of production and distribution of product and goods.

Well, Marx had the workers seizing the means of production. It's one of the reasons it's a bit nonsensical to apply it to Euchronia though; you need an industrial society before communism makes sense.

The game very much advocates for the people being able to choose their government and elected leaders vs that of a monarch or a communist system where the ruling body of government handpicks either publicly or covertly who the leaders are without input from the public.

The game doesn't really advocate for anything. It offers up various potential visions of society from libertarianism to some form of gerontocracy.

[moshiwakeda]

Are you friends with the writers? Can you tell us more about how you learned of their beliefs about communism?


Otherwise people are going to assume you are just making it up and weirdly asserting made up stuff on an internet forum. It's a really bad look..

[Pencillus Sedatus]

I don't think that is my takeaway, since I actually see them denounce communism in the game.