The Heismay fight sucks so bad

[MovieMuscle]

Only a dork would see the illusion. There's no illusion. There's no tell to a normal-functioning person. It basically becomes a boring endurance test until I slowly whittle down the bastard's health. Could've been designed much better...

[Mustache Samurai]

Galica gives you hints in case it's not obvious to you. I didn't get it at first either, but once I saw, it seemed pretty obvious. I don't think it was unfair and I don't think insulting people that did get it makes you look good. It makes you look petulant.

[TwoFaceTony]

Postat inițial de Mustache Samurai:

[.......] I don't think insulting people that did get it makes you look good. It makes you look petulant.

This exactly. Insulting people for engaging with the game's mechanics instead of flailing blindly just makes you look sad. Insulting people for noticing something that you didn't, especially when the game fully intends for almost every player to notice it, also makes you look a little pathetic.

Honestly, the tell is pretty easy to see if you're actively trying to find one, and extremely obvious once you see it. Gallica also gives you hints throughout the fight.
Here are some hints for anyone who is having trouble seeing it, in order of less to more obvious:
This one should be obvious after using the first one: Don't use Multi-target (AoE) attacks.
Look for a tell between the clones and Heismay
Really LOOK for it. There is a visual tell that you can see to discern the real Heismay.
You can see the tell when picking attacks/targets. You don't have to search for it during Heismay's attacks, but it may also be visible during his attacks.
It may look like a lighting bug to some players, but it's intentional visual design.
Only the real Heismay has a shadow, so just hit the one with a shadow with single target attacks.

[MovieMuscle]

Postat inițial de TwoFaceTony:

Postat inițial de Mustache Samurai:

[.......] I don't think insulting people that did get it makes you look good. It makes you look petulant.

This exactly. Insulting people for engaging with the game's mechanics instead of flailing blindly just makes you look sad. Insulting people for noticing something that you didn't, especially when the game fully intends for almost every player to notice it, also makes you look a little pathetic.

Honestly, the tell is pretty easy to see if you're actively trying to find one, and extremely obvious once you see it. Gallica also gives you hints throughout the fight.
Here are some hints for anyone who is having trouble seeing it, in order of less to more obvious:
This one should be obvious after using the first one: Don't use Multi-target (AoE) attacks.
Look for a tell between the clones and Heismay
Really LOOK for it. There is a visual tell that you can see to discern the real Heismay.
You can see the tell when picking attacks/targets. You don't have to search for it during Heismay's attacks, but it may also be visible during his attacks.
It may look like a lighting bug to some players, but it's intentional visual design.
Only the real Heismay has a shadow, so just hit the one with a shadow with single target attacks.

"It's extremely obvious. Just look for this very subtle visual mark." lmao I said all I had to say in the OP. It should be WAY clearer. This isn't a trick question on a test

[Lynfinity]

Postat inițial de MovieMuscle:

Just look for this very subtle visual mark.

How is it subtle? One of the targets has a shadow, and the other three don't. The game practically screams at you "Here's the real Heismay."

I... what?

[Acestar]

Postat inițial de MovieMuscle:

Only a dork would see the illusion. There's no illusion. There's no tell to a normal-functioning person. It basically becomes a boring endurance test until I slowly whittle down the bastard's health. Could've been designed much better...

This must be your 1st game that has to deal with clones, every game that has a "clone" fight has a tell, you just gotta find it. Battle is a cake walk when you figure it out. If this puzzle already pisses you off good luck on the future dungeons and boss gimmicks.

[SKINLESSHEAD]

Basic jrpg trope. He's the only one with a shadow you dolt.

[mono_sloth]

Postat inițial de Lynfinity:

Postat inițial de MovieMuscle:

Just look for this very subtle visual mark.

How is it subtle? One of the targets has a shadow, and the other three don't. The game practically screams at you "Here's the real Heismay."

I... what?

I was so stoned it took me almost half an hour to realize that very simple visual cue.
but hey at least I had a dumb excuse for not seeing it right away.
Other than that, it's a fairly easy battle, standard jrpg fare.
People complaining about this fight is baffling. It's a very obvious hint.

[mono_sloth]

Postat inițial de MovieMuscle:

Only a dork would see the illusion. There's no illusion. There's no tell to a normal-functioning person. It basically becomes a boring endurance test until I slowly whittle down the bastard's health. Could've been designed much better...

You should probably go to the eye doctor and get your eyes checked if you missed that obvious a hint. If not blind, maybe have your brain checked out bud.

[Pook and Pie]

I mean, the fight was designed quite well if you do some puzzle solving to figure it out rather than attempt to brute force it, but at least brute forcing is still an option.

You may be frustrated with it, but that doesn't mean it was a poor design choice at all. The fact that you passed it without seemingly understanding the gimmick means it was very well designed because it doesn't automatically force you into a fail state.

[Syynx]

Postat inițial de Mustache Samurai:

Galica gives you hints in case it's not obvious to you. I didn't get it at first either, but once I saw, it seemed pretty obvious. I don't think it was unfair and I don't think insulting people that did get it makes you look good. It makes you look petulant.

Same! When Gallica said "one of them has a..." I stared at each one of them for like 5 minutes looking for something different with the models. After the fight I learned it was a shadow and I felt like the world's blindest man lmao

[Splinter of Chaos]

I was a total idiot during this fight and closed my eyes to listen for whether his voice lines sounded like they were coming more in the left or right ear.

[Syynx]

I feel like I really lucked out during the fight. I didn't notice the shadow but managed to hit him most of the time regardless with blind guessing. It's possible I subconsciously noticed the shadow, but definitely didn't see it

[Lynfinity]

Not gonna lie, I'm curious how you guys would handle Ongyo-Ki in SMT3

[Shepard]

i tried to brute force it like i had for everything else in the game, it wasn't working so i stopped, turned my brain on and realised what was going on. The only fight i thought was ACTUALLY dumb was the stupid sword through his hands assburger that you deal with later.

[Syynx]

Postat inițial de Shepard:

i tried to brute force it like i had for everything else in the game, it wasn't working so i stopped, turned my brain on and realised what was going on. The only fight i thought was ACTUALLY dumb was the stupid sword through his hands assburger that you deal with later.

Once you get almighty damage on every enemy and resistance penetrating skills the game really simplifies itself

Hardest boss for me what the 1st boss, easiest boss was the final boss