Plans for female adjundant?

[Arikania]

I really enjoyed the game, but now it turns out that I am playing some dude. Furthermore, the game expects me to go and visit the girls in their rooms.

Are there any plans to allow for a female adjundant with time?

[索罗]

Originally posted by Groen90:

Originally posted by Captain Sugoi:

It is very clearly aimed at men.

To be fair this means very little, plenty of games that are very clearly aimed at men feature a female protagonist or no male character whatsoever. Furthermore it's pretty safe to say that in the absence of a character creator, and when given the choice, most people regardless of gender would gravitate towards the female option simply because it tends to have much more appealing and/or elaborate visual designs in general compared to the male counterpart.

I could be wrong but I don't believe this applies here. Snowbreak in the beginning was a general gacha game that had everything other gachas had. The uniqueness was the TPS. Maybe Seasun did have plans in making a female adjutant (most likely not) but it doesn't matter since whatever plans they had for that vision of the game was dying/died. The feedback that Seasun got and listened to were from players that stuck with the game and gave them ideas of what we have now. Now that the game has gained popularity (and propped up by people and whales that love the direction the game is going) we have people coming in trying to revert it back to what ended up nearly killing it. I'm sorry but I can't accept that. A game for everyone is a game for no one and that snowbreak died.

[Groen90]

Originally posted by 索罗:

Originally posted by Groen90:

To be fair this means very little, plenty of games that are very clearly aimed at men feature a female protagonist or no male character whatsoever. Furthermore it's pretty safe to say that in the absence of a character creator, and when given the choice, most people regardless of gender would gravitate towards the female option simply because it tends to have much more appealing and/or elaborate visual designs in general compared to the male counterpart.

I could be wrong but I don't believe this applies here. Snowbreak in the beginning was a general gacha game that had everything other gachas had. The uniqueness was the TPS. Maybe Seasun did have plans in making a female adjutant (most likely not) but it doesn't matter since whatever plans they had for that vision of the game was dying/died. The feedback that Seasun got and listened to were from players that stuck with the game and gave them ideas of what we have now. Now that the game has gained popularity (and propped up by people and whales that love the direction the game is going) we have people coming in trying to revert it back to what ended up nearly killing it. I'm sorry but I can't accept that. A game for everyone is a game for no one and that snowbreak died.

I know this story very well, I'm talking in general terms. The other guy made it sound like a game can't be targeted at men if it has an option for female protagonist, which is a bit absurd.

[索罗]

Originally posted by Groen90:

Originally posted by 索罗:

I could be wrong but I don't believe this applies here. Snowbreak in the beginning was a general gacha game that had everything other gachas had. The uniqueness was the TPS. Maybe Seasun did have plans in making a female adjutant (most likely not) but it doesn't matter since whatever plans they had for that vision of the game was dying/died. The feedback that Seasun got and listened to were from players that stuck with the game and gave them ideas of what we have now. Now that the game has gained popularity (and propped up by people and whales that love the direction the game is going) we have people coming in trying to revert it back to what ended up nearly killing it. I'm sorry but I can't accept that. A game for everyone is a game for no one and that snowbreak died.

I know this story very well, I'm talking in general terms. The other guy made it sound like a game can't be targeted at men if it has an option for female protagonist, which is a bit absurd.

I'm not sure since I didn't read it in that sense that it was a generalization. Maybe I don't know some of the terms to connect the dots?

[CEO of Cunny]

Originally posted by Groen90:

Originally posted by 索罗:

I could be wrong but I don't believe this applies here. Snowbreak in the beginning was a general gacha game that had everything other gachas had. The uniqueness was the TPS. Maybe Seasun did have plans in making a female adjutant (most likely not) but it doesn't matter since whatever plans they had for that vision of the game was dying/died. The feedback that Seasun got and listened to were from players that stuck with the game and gave them ideas of what we have now. Now that the game has gained popularity (and propped up by people and whales that love the direction the game is going) we have people coming in trying to revert it back to what ended up nearly killing it. I'm sorry but I can't accept that. A game for everyone is a game for no one and that snowbreak died.

I know this story very well, I'm talking in general terms. The other guy made it sound like a game can't be targeted at men if it has an option for female protagonist, which is a bit absurd.

You're just putting words in my mouth because you can't be bothered to read or can't be bothered to make a proper argument. I'm saying that the practice is now unpopular in China, where most of the money comes from, and Japan doesn't care much either. Most modern gachas cannot pull off the effort of appealing to both men and women. Older ones, yes, but since then Gender wars and culture wars around the world have gotten worse. Especially in China and Korea, these are very intense things. That's why adding things like Female MCs and Male pullable characters cause a lot of unnecessary danger.

There's a negligible audience of females who are waiting to play Snowbreak who won't play unless there's a female MC. There's a much larger potential for unnecessary drama and potential EOS if the Chinese audience decides to stop playing like they did for GFL2. I'm not sure if they've recovered or are aiming to try and get global to save them, but GFL2 suffered a lot from decisions similar to that.

[DoomsdayOps]

Originally posted by Arikania:

Oh, it's not the visiting the girls that I have a problem with, but visiting them in their room being their male superior is.

And I play female protagonists only; when I got me this game, I expected myself to be one of them fighter girls.

maybe stop being such a whiner and not play if you are gonna complain about a video game. its not real life nor are you going in and R**ing them and the girls love adjutant so they don't care. its not real life stop interjecting it like they are real people. you are delusional

[Lavian]

Originally posted by Captain Sugoi:

Okay, but you still haven't explained why this game even needs a female adjutant.

Correct, nor have I tried to.

Originally posted by Captain Sugoi:

It is very clearly aimed at men.

So is Stellar Blade.

Originally posted by Captain Sugoi:

Just because some random Azur Lane comic features a female commander doesn't mean much. The practice is already starting to become unpopular in China, which is where a lot of the money comes from, and Japan genuinely doesn't care most of the time.

What it does mean is that the Commander's identity is left ambiguous enough that they were comfortable featuring a female version in official media. Furthermore, she's aggressively lesbian, which is part of the point here.

Even not counting that, as mentioned, other characters in Azur Lane are either implicitly or explicitly bisexual, if not outright lesbian. Ark Royal is into the destroyer girls (even her "love" and "oath" lines are centered around the DDs, not the commander), Littorio just loves women (her intro line for one of her skins is jokingly proposing a competition with the commander to see who can pick up the most chicks), Z1 has a boyish personality and can be seen hitting on one of the other girls at the end of the Azur Lane anime, Portland is a blunt out and out siscon, so on and so forth.

Azur Lane isn't shy about its girls loving girls, even if they may or may not also have a thing for the commander who may or may not also be a woman.

Originally posted by Captain Sugoi:

Also, you used "Love and Deepspace" as an example, but the game is fairly new and caters to an audience that doesn't have much selection anyways. It doesn't really indicate anything. Of course male orientated games are going to make less individually due to how many there are, but as an overall market it of course makes tons more. That's the cherry picking you're doing. You're trying to paint a picture of this stuff being viable when it's shown time and time again to sink more Gachas than it helps.

This just means it's an untapped market, ripe for capitalizing upon. It's clearly viable, as can be seen by such successful examples. You haven't provided any examples of instances where it's been a clear issue.

It's worth noting that Hoyo does quite well with titles that have both appealing male an female characters. It's probably not a coincidence that Genshin and Star Rail are both chart toppers (like, #1/#2). Furthermore, while I mentioned that Wuthering Waves did less numbers than Love and Deepspace, it still did well, with 24.8 million in revenue, with a female MC as an option (we'll see how that title continues on, considering its early fumbles).

Originally posted by Captain Sugoi:

This game is not made for the fujo audience, it's not made for the normie audience, it's made for the same sort of audience that Azur Lane and similar games are going for. You should understand this, but for some reason you seem incapable of doing so. A woman that likes woman is a very small demographic. You are far more likely to cause problems in the current environment, specifically China, than you'll profit from the couple thousand lesbians that start playing your game. Even then, as you've proved, they'll still play it anyways, so why cater?

You literally make your own argument against yourself.

I didn't claim it's aimed at either such demographic. If it's indeed made for the sort of audience as Azur Lane, then that's a great counterexample to your points. As I've hammered here, Azur Lane doesn't really shy away from lesbian characters, and the protagonist is relatively ambiguous, enough so that they've had a female version in an anthology manga chapter.

You don't have to be a lesbian or a woman to want to play a woman. I'm not a woman, but you know what I like? Women. Thus I also like playing as women. I'm not looking for a self insert. I'm looking for a character I like. If I can play a sexy, or cute, main character, that's what I'm going to do, and I don't find men sexy, nor do I find cute male characters to be appealing main characters (most of the time).

[Groen90]

Ah... I forgot I was replying to the unnecessarily confrontational guy, my bad...

Originally posted by Captain Sugoi:

You're just putting words in my mouth

Ironic coming from you, after you did it yourself in this very thread. I said you "made it sound like that", hence why I felt the need to specify that's not always the case. I'm not disagreeing with you, take a chill pill.

[Aurelia]

I came with a mild curiousity of this possibility myself, and yikes...

OP asked an honest question and simply responded to what was dished. In no way shape or form were they pressing any sort of objective or argument that there needs to be a female perspective. I'd say it's weird how aggressive and/or impulsive people can be to needlessly feel they have to defend something, but i'm not really surprised...

The game by itself is appealing, and there are many other games similar out there that are too, that force this perspective, and regardless of whatever anyone's reasons/excuses/defenses are, it's still unfortunate for those who wish to engage in a world but cannot due to being unable to relate to the narrative due to a few lines of dialogue and a couple of images. There's no harm whatsoever in either hoping or just simply asking a question..

[索罗]

Originally posted by Aurelia:

I came with a mild curiousity of this possibility myself, and yikes...

OP asked an honest question and simply responded to what was dished. In no way shape or form were they pressing any sort of objective or argument that there needs to be a female perspective. I'd say it's weird how aggressive and/or impulsive people can be to needlessly feel they have to defend something, but i'm not really surprised...

The game by itself is appealing, and there are many other games similar out there that are too, that force this perspective, and regardless of whatever anyone's reasons/excuses/defenses are, it's still unfortunate for those who wish to engage in a world but cannot due to being unable to relate to the narrative due to a few lines of dialogue and a couple of images. There's no harm whatsoever in either hoping or just simply asking a question..

It makes sense why people are overly and even extremely defensive over this game especially since it was near EoS.

"it's still unfortunate for those who wish to engage in a world but cannot due to being unable to relate to the narrative due to a few lines of dialogue and a couple of images."

Would that be the games fault or the players fault?

[Aurelia]

Originally posted by 索罗:

It makes sense why people are overly and even extremely defensive over this game especially since it was near EoS.

"it's still unfortunate for those who wish to engage in a world but cannot due to being unable to relate to the narrative due to a few lines of dialogue and a couple of images."

Would that be the games fault or the players fault?

I would say neither. It's just simply that - unfortunate.
You can't fault the player for wanting to be emersed in the game, and likewise you can't fault the development for following it's intended path.

It's very difficult to find games like this without such a player narrative. I didn't actually understand why that was until reading this thread. I had no idea about the logistics behind it, more so just believed it was about a certain stereotypical male crowd.

In the end, even still, it's still possible to play games like this. I often resort to imagining being in the shoes of a different character than the "intended player", imagining that said player is another character in the story. The dialogue disjunctions this a bit from time to time, but if it gets too annoying, there's always a skip button. In this way, I don't believe it's a reason to not play it, nor should it prevent one from being able to enjoy playing it.

[Degenbrecher]

Originally posted by Captain Sugoi:

Just because some random Azur Lane comic features a female commander doesn't mean much. The practice is already starting to become unpopular in China, which is where a lot of the money comes from, and Japan genuinely doesn't care most of the time.

What it does mean is that the Commander's identity is left ambiguous enough that they were comfortable featuring a female version in official media. Furthermore, she's aggressively lesbian, which is part of the point here.

Even not counting that, as mentioned, other characters in Azur Lane are either implicitly or explicitly bisexual, if not outright lesbian. Ark Royal is into the destroyer girls (even her "love" and "oath" lines are centered around the DDs, not the commander), Littorio just loves women (her intro line for one of her skins is jokingly proposing a competition with the commander to see who can pick up the most chicks), Z1 has a boyish personality and can be seen hitting on one of the other girls at the end of the Azur Lane anime, Portland is a blunt out and out siscon, so on and so forth.

Azur Lane isn't shy about its girls loving girls, even if they may or may not also have a thing for the commander who may or may not also be a woman.

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Ark Royal clearly stated that she loved the Commander before the the little Destroyers in her Love line. And there are no lesbian characters in that game. Every line changes when you oath the girls and no implications for them being lesbian at that.

[索罗]

Originally posted by Aurelia:

Originally posted by 索罗:

It makes sense why people are overly and even extremely defensive over this game especially since it was near EoS.

"it's still unfortunate for those who wish to engage in a world but cannot due to being unable to relate to the narrative due to a few lines of dialogue and a couple of images."

Would that be the games fault or the players fault?

It's very difficult to find games like this without such a player narrative. I didn't actually understand why that was until reading this thread. I had no idea about the logistics behind it, more so just believed it was about a certain stereotypical male crowd.

In the end, even still, it's still possible to play games like this. I often resort to imagining being in the shoes of a different character than the "intended player", imagining that said player is another character in the story. The dialogue disjunctions this a bit from time to time, but if it gets too annoying, there's always a skip button. In this way, I don't believe it's a reason to not play it, nor should it prevent one from being able to enjoy playing it.

"It's very difficult..."
That's how it always goes, people on the outside looking in. Making assumptions until they take the time to find out what the actual issue is that the community holds.

"In the end, even still..."
And this is how games should be played. Games are an escape to get lost in a world and story. If people like what they see from a game but can't enjoy it because they don't see themselves in said character then they are doing themselves a disservice. There are so many popular games that have female protagonists that wouldn't be loved and popular if people were close minded and didn't allow themselves to enjoy these games for what they are and how they are presented.

[Lavian]

Originally posted by Degenbrecher:

Ark Royal clearly stated that she loved the Commander before the the little Destroyers in her Love line. And there are no lesbian characters in that game. Every line changes when you oath the girls and no implications for them being lesbian at that.

No

Originally posted by Ark Royal:

If I were closer to you, Commander, I could get closer with the destroyers too... Of... of course, that can only happen with your approval. I'm more than happy to help you with destroyer inspections! Is that all right, commander?

要是本人能以更、更近的距离站在指挥官身边，那就能更近距离接触驱逐妹妹们了…当当当然，需要本人和指挥官都有这种意向才行，本、本人非常愿意！不知指挥官意下如何！

も、もう少し閣下の近くにいたら、駆逐艦の妹たちとももっとスキンシップができたり……ももももちろん、こういうのは私と閣下の合意の……合意の上です！…わ……わたし……わたしは大丈夫だ！どうだ、閣下！

She's stating that being closer to the commander allows her more privilege with the DDs.

If you mean specifically her oath skin, then

Originally posted by Ark Royal:

Since we've grown so intimate, I assume it's now safe to tell you that I've become... r-r-rather intimate with the little destroyers too! Of course, you are still number one in my heart, Your Excellency!

本人已经和阁下亲密无间了~当当当当当然也可以，和驱逐妹妹们……亲密无间了吧？诶？当然阁下在本人心目里是第一位啦！

‌閣下と親密な関係になったからには、く、くく駆逐艦の妹たちとも親密な関係になったと言えるよな！？…もちろん、閣下のことは一番だぞ！

Tone and order play a big role in this. She breathes heavily and stutters when talking about the DDs. The bit about the commander is a follow up after a pause.

Also man, I never oathed her, but that English translation seems incredibly clunky. In Japanese, it's more, "Now that I'm in an intimate relationship with your excellency, you c-c-could say that I'm in an intimate relationship with the little destroyers, right?! ... Of course, your excellency is number one!" (Yes, I realize AL is Chinese, but I don't read Chinese. That said, Chinese machine translation seems to mostly match the Japanese.)

Her line is straight up about her being excited about the implications of your relationship as it relates to her relationship with the DDs in the fleet.

Also, this is her pledge line:

Originally posted by Ark Royal:

‌I'll take care of all the destroyers from now on! No one can touch Commander or my destroyers. No one!
‌
舰队的驱逐妹妹们从今往后就交给本人吧！谁也别想伤害本人和指挥官的妹妹们，谁也别想！

この艦隊にいる駆逐艦の妹たちは今後私にまかせてくれ！誰が来ようが、私と指揮官の妹たちは一人たりとも傷つけはさせん！

Even during the ceremony, her focus is on the DDs.



Also, while we're at it, this is Portland's pledge:

Originally posted by Portland:

It seems you and I are always appreciating just how cute Indy is, Commander... But to me, Indy still always comes first! This is the one thing I'm not giving up!

和指挥官在一起欣赏印第的日子也变成了我的日常呢……不过印第依然是第一，这一点我可不会退让哦！

‌指揮官といつも一緒にインディちゃん鑑賞するようになっていますね……でも私にとってやっぱりインディちゃんが一番！それだけは譲りませんよ！

[Wodki]

Originally posted by 索罗:

Originally posted by Lavian:

A few things:

1) This thread asked about a female Adjutant, not male operatives/banners.
2) Genshin pulled in 53.3 million last month, featuring one of its least popular male rerun banners (Baizhu and the Wanderer aren't all that popular, as far as I understand), which is only slightly less than half of the previous month's new release of the incredibly meta DPS mommy "Father."
3) Love and Deepspace, a husbando game, consistently manages to be near the top of the earnings charts for mobile gacha games (it made 33.5 million last month, beating out the likes of NIKKE and Wuthering Waves last month).
4) In terms of a game that features only female characters, including the MC - Heaven Burns Red does relatively well for itself (3 million last month, 7 million the previous month).

I would actually play Heaven Burns Red if I felt like crying my eyes out on a regular basis, considering it's a Visual Arts/Key title. I don't though. At least not that regularly.

Oh also, I would be loathe to not mention how well Nitro+'s Touken Ranbu has done. Personally, I'm not a big enough Nitro+ fan to look into most of the Nitro+ Chiral titles (the ones that focus on BL), but that game has gotten a Musou/Warriors game, multiple anime seasons, and a live action movie.

And before someone makes a suggestion about my interests, there's a reason I was able to pull out the fact that a female commander was featured in a chapter of the 4th volume of Azur Lane Comic Anthology: Breaking!!, and that I have a guide dedicated to translations of the Azur Lane World of Warships commanders (which I really need to get back on top of).

Frankly, if there's an option of MC, I generally pick a female MC. Whether that be a gacha game like Genshin Impact, Brave Frontier, Fate/Grand Order, etc. or more traditional games like Mass Effect, Nioh 2, Dragon's Dogma, The Elder Scrolls, etc. I tend to use a female protagonist, then when romance is involved, romance female characters with said protagonist (if that's not an option then yeah, I find the male MC more compelling, as with Persona 3 Portable).

I like being able to love the protagonist just as much as, if not more than, the rest of the female leads, and I'm not into men, so...

There's cases where I think having an option is a harder sell, such as with an outright visual novel, where having a specific character with a specific background can be much more compelling than an interchangeable or blank slate sort of character. In those cases I'll generally prefer a male MC, due to them being more relatable for me, but that's not at all a hard rule.

Those stats mean nothing when this game was EoS and only got out of it because seasun found their audience and actually listens to them.

They went to EoS only because it tried to appeal to the Arknights/GFL crowd with the visuals, story and lore, while having multiple performance, gameplay and Story problems and some of those problems still exist (like the story in earlier chapters at least I dunno how it is later). Anyway when their attempts to appeal to the Arknights/GFL crowd failed they went to the fanservice route like GFL's sequels did and the english VA drama happened which got them publicity to people that like to complain about a female character option for their blank state character acting like the people they claim to hate.

[CEO of Cunny]

Holy crap, this thread is still going. Either you guys play the game and be quiet or just leave because the devs aren't going to pander to you. They've chosen their path and they're not going to deviate. You can cry and moan all you want but we all know what the reality is here.