Just tried iRacing what a joke

[chillgreg]

Graphics are crap, gamepad steering is hopeless, can't race on a course I want with a car i want, need to pay for tracks, very little guidance for noobs, interface from 1980. How do you expect this to compete with the Forza's of the world. At least I only wasted $9 on a 3 month trial. Hard to believe that after all these years iRacing has been running it's still such an antiquated mess. Probably the only people enjoying this are rich retirees with mega-setups and low expectations.

[Stink]

I mean you could care about what some random gatekeeper on the forums or discussions has to say about this game or listen to them talk about how real drivers use it.
Or you could listen to the drivers themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c710XsgSx3w

But I guess they have no idea what they're talking about aswell.

[B✪✪tsy]

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I mean you could care about what some random gatekeeper on the forums or discussions has to say about this game or listen to them talk about how real drivers use it.
Or you could listen to the drivers themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c710XsgSx3w

But I guess they have no idea what they're talking about aswell.

This has been debunked many times now, they suck at iRacing and blame the game for it. That one guy even admitted it in the video 'I hate sim racing' lol. The complainers were overdriving the car, nothing more nothing less.

Meanwhile Former F1 driver Romain Grosjean made an iRacing league and is driving in iRacing severeal days every week. Max Verstappen did nothing else during the winter, he was in iRacing almost every day.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/954434290

[Stink]

HAHAHA The guy on the forum saying the drivers have no idea what they're doing.
The iRacing human centipede continues.

This might come as a shock to you.

But, iRacing is meant to simulate real life physics.
And these drivers, drive in real life physics for a living believe it or not.

So if they come to iRacing, jump into their car that they race in real life and fail at it.
Yet they can go out in real life with all of it's weird physics and win championships then it's not the drivers fault.

Now I know you're the type of guy that'll keep arguing this point for whatever reason or experience you have. But sadly I must go and smash my head against a wall because I see that being a more productive waste of time compared to listening to some random gatekeeper about how he knows better than actual racers.

[B✪✪tsy]

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HAHAHA The guy on the forum saying the drivers have no idea what they're doing.
The iRacing human centipede continues.

This might come as a shock to you.

But, iRacing is meant to simulate real life physics.
And these drivers, drive in real life physics for a living believe it or not.

So if they come to iRacing, jump into their car that they race in real life and fail at it.
Yet they can go out in real life with all of it's weird physics and win championships then it's not the drivers fault.

Now I know you're the type of guy that'll keep arguing this point for whatever reason or experience you have. But sadly I must go and smash my head against a wall because I see that being a more productive waste of time compared to listening to some random gatekeeper about how he knows better than actual racers.

Again, the vast majority of pro drivers in higher classes than the hillbilly Nascar prefer iRacing over any other sim. That you ignore that is really your own issue.

[TeknoBug]

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I mean you could care about what some random gatekeeper on the forums or discussions has to say about this game or listen to them talk about how real drivers use it.
Or you could listen to the drivers themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c710XsgSx3w

But I guess they have no idea what they're talking about aswell.

This has been debunked many times now, they suck at iRacing and blame the game for it. That one guy even admitted it in the video 'I hate sim racing' lol. The complainers were overdriving the car, nothing more nothing less.

Meanwhile Former F1 driver Romain Grosjean made an iRacing league and is driving in iRacing severeal days every week. Max Verstappen did nothing else during the winter, he was in iRacing almost every day.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/954434290

Indycar drivers did have a valid complaint, Indycars were still on v6 tires and they were terrible, it made it difficult for IRL Indycar drivers to race with them last winter/spring during the lockdown. iRacing missed the window with putting v7 tires on Indycar at that time.

[TeknoBug]

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HAHAHA The guy on the forum saying the drivers have no idea what they're doing.
The iRacing human centipede continues.

This might come as a shock to you.

But, iRacing is meant to simulate real life physics.
And these drivers, drive in real life physics for a living believe it or not.

So if they come to iRacing, jump into their car that they race in real life and fail at it.
Yet they can go out in real life with all of it's weird physics and win championships then it's not the drivers fault.

Now I know you're the type of guy that'll keep arguing this point for whatever reason or experience you have. But sadly I must go and smash my head against a wall because I see that being a more productive waste of time compared to listening to some random gatekeeper about how he knows better than actual racers.

Some of the IRL drivers said they're used to feeling the car in the butt/seat, that's what they were lacking in iRacing (or any other game for that matter).

[B✪✪tsy]

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This has been debunked many times now, they suck at iRacing and blame the game for it. That one guy even admitted it in the video 'I hate sim racing' lol. The complainers were overdriving the car, nothing more nothing less.

Meanwhile Former F1 driver Romain Grosjean made an iRacing league and is driving in iRacing severeal days every week. Max Verstappen did nothing else during the winter, he was in iRacing almost every day.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/954434290

Indycar drivers did have a valid complaint, Indycars were still on v6 tires and they were terrible, it made it difficult for IRL Indycar drivers to race with them last winter/spring during the lockdown. iRacing missed the window with putting v7 tires on Indycar at that time.

Still, overdriving the car was the real issue. They should have adapted to the tires instead of complaining about it and giving up. Other real life drivers didn't had that problem, they adapted.

[Stink]

"Still, overdriving the car was the real issue." =
They tried to drive the cars just like they would in real life but sadly it's not a good enough sim to allow them to do it.

"They should have adapted to the tires instead of complaining about it and giving up" =
They need to change the way they drive instead of getting upset that the most sophisticated and accurate sim software doesn't allow them to drive the car the way they would in real life.

"Other real life drivers didn't had that problem, they adapted." =
Other drivers stopped trying to drive the car like they would in real life and learnt to drive the way iRacing models as "real" so they don't have problems anymore

[Sighman]

Or you could watch this real life driver just getting on with it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaD-H8loNpg

[B✪✪tsy]

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"Still, overdriving the car was the real issue." =
They tried to drive the cars just like they would in real life but sadly it's not a good enough sim to allow them to do it.

"They should have adapted to the tires instead of complaining about it and giving up" =
They need to change the way they drive instead of getting upset that the most sophisticated and accurate sim software doesn't allow them to drive the car the way they would in real life.

"Other real life drivers didn't had that problem, they adapted." =
Other drivers stopped trying to drive the car like they would in real life and learnt to drive the way iRacing models as "real" so they don't have problems anymore

You don't get it. No car drives the same in real life. Not even an indy car, because it all depends on the setup. If they can't adapt to the different 'feel' then thats an issue at their own end. No sim is 'real', but tries to be as close as it can be. From that perspective iRacing is as close to real as it can be.

[B✪✪tsy]

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Or you could watch this real life driver just getting on with it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaD-H8loNpg

Exactly. I never hear Verstappen whine about the tires!

[Stink]

No I get it and it's hilarious.

You're a sim racer saying that he knows better than actual championship winning drivers. Using the few drivers that stayed on the service and your X amount of time as a sim racer as the reason it must be realistic.

While dismissing a large group of drivers with their X amount of combined decades experience in actual racing, spread across multiple series, who have said they don't think it's anywhere close to realistic at all. Extremely laughable.

Meanwhile these same drivers can jump into Rfactor 2 or ACC and have next to no issue wheeling cars around like they do in real life.
It's strange isn't it? it's almost like they simulate racing like they do in real life.

If drivers need to "adapt" their real life driving skills or relearn how to drive a car they race in real life to be able to race in iRacing or any racing "simulator" for that matter. Then it's not a very good simulator.

What "feel" are you talking about?
You mean the feeling of 50% less car to feel since the rear end just doesnt exist?
Or the feeling of 1/10th the slip angle the tyres allow compared to actual racing tyres?

The only thing that iRacing has going for it, is the way it's online racing setup.
Once you sign upto a race and the race starts, iRacing doesn't do anything better than any of the other sims out there. If anything it's worse.

When other sims get their stuff sorted out like RF2 is doing with the Competitive System and people have the option to sign up to a race as they would in iRacing but on a game like RF2 with it's awesome FFB and physics. I'm pretty sure peoples minds are gonna change real quick on what they perceive as realistic.

[B✪✪tsy]

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No I get it and it's hilarious.

You don't and you are making an a** out of yourself on the forum.

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You're a sim racer saying that he knows better than actual championship winning drivers. Using the few drivers that stayed on the service and your X amount of time as a sim racer as the reason it must be realistic.

It's actually the other way around. You were making an example of a few whining drivers with little to no sim experience while the majority of irl pro racers have no issues iwth iRacing and have been using iRacing for many years. As pointed out the example video of Verstappen that kicks butt in iRacing.

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Meanwhile these same drivers can jump into Rfactor 2 or ACC and have next to no issue wheeling cars around like they do in real life.
It's strange isn't it? it's almost like they simulate racing like they do in real life.

I can't speak for Rfactor, but ACC is a sim that leans towards arcade and not realism. So thats why they can just 'jump in' without the need for practice. A 12 year old kid can jump into ACC and be good at it let alone a pro driver.

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What "feel" are you talking about?

The feel for the car behaviour and the limits you can drive the car on. It's no different than finding the car limits in real life really. If what they are doing isn't working then they should have adapted. Instead they just tried to keep flooring it to early not learning from their mistakes. Ergo the issue lies with them and not the sim.

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When other sims get their stuff sorted out like RF2 is doing with the Competitive System and people have the option to sign up to a race as they would in iRacing but on a game like RF2 with it's awesome FFB and physics. I'm pretty sure peoples minds are gonna change real quick on what they perceive as realistic.

If there are other sims that can compete with iRacing in the future then I will only applaud that, but that time isn't there yet. Visually Rfactor doesn't make any sense when you look at the behavioural details of the cars. Rfactor uses a repeating car animations to visualise bumps om the road. When you noticed it, it's a huge eye sore and an immersion braker. One of the reasons why Rfactor is not in my gaming library tbh.

[Stink]

Haha, you'll get over it.

Yeap, fair enough. They had little to no sim experience. But, I think you're glossing over what a sim is supposed to do again..
And no, silly! The point I was making with the video, was that all these irl race car drivers with 0 sim experience and all the irl racing experience, don't consider it realistic.

The fact these drivers think that ACC physics and FFB is better than iRacing, is irrelevant to you and your years of sim racing experience? I mean I think it's kind of funny you say that it's arcadey. Just goes to show how bad it must be, when they're picking the "arcadey" game for better physics and FFB over the supposed "best sim on the market".

I'm glad you brought that up because those 2 things I mentioned are actually pretty important to what it feels like to drive a car on the limits knowing when the tyre is about to slip and or the rear gets unsettled and applying the right amount of inputs to correct it is very important when it comes to driving cars at the limit. And you make it sound so easy to find the limits of a car irl but sadly iRacing isn't finding it that easy to model or code the other half of the cars FFB to simulate that feeling properly.

I think we found our problem.
Are you visually comparing force feedback and phyics? You know you're supposed to put your hands on the wheel and feel the games interpretation of the forces acting on the car and not just saying "Looks to bumpy, it's not realistic"

[Robbo]

This may be the weirdest guy I've seen cry about iracing.