In game exploit or just clever use of X's

[boo the goo pc]

So a mate just run a Spa race and I feel was cheated out of making up positions.

He was following a car and making good ground catching him/her a nice chunk every lap until he got within a few seconds. Then the car he was catching started cutting the Old Bus Stop Chicane every lap and making 2 secs every time.

There is no doubt that they was getting X's for being off track but clearly not getting slowdown penalties.

Now if you have run a full race and have X's to spare is it ok to cheat in order to keep position?

[Langowski]

Do you have a replay of this?

[boo the goo pc]

Yes there is a replay BUT.

Did they actually break any rules?

I think its impossible to reprimand them as they was using what iracing has given them to play with and used them very wisely. Its not an issue with them its an issue with the game mechanics / cut track slowdowns not being smart enough to pick up on blatant cheating.

If i was to join a race now and use 16 of my 17 allowed X's could the guy behind me protest and get me put back?

For me the penalty system really needs some attention as its the biggest issue thats keeping people away. I stayed away for years after getting smashed off time after time in the lower license's and paid hard earned cash for the privilege. Thankfully I managed to keep my nose clean for enough races to get 1700ir and next promotion will be A license so the window licker's are a distant memory I do not miss 1 bit.

Because of this I find myself in a funny predicament. I personally feel Iracing is the best place to race however I would not recommend it to a friend because of the penalty system.



So is it ok to use your spare X's to deny others of taking positions?

[Langowski]

Thats why I want to see the replay and replacte his line to see if the checkpoint for corner cutting is off or not extended far enought out.

[wilburnator]

iRacing is not lenient in terms of penalizing off tracks, or cut corners, particularly at Spa.

Without being able to see what your friend SAYS he saw, it is imposible to judge. I know you can clip a curb and only get an off track penalty (1x) as long as the centerline of the car doesn't cross the track edge, but if you actually cut a corner, you get a slow-down penalty. Without faii.

Real drivers put a wheel off track now and then. They don't often get penalized just for that. If an iRacing driver is racking up penalties clipping curbs, depending on the car, he may cause serious damage that will slow him down. He is also running the risk of hitting the incident limit and gettind DQ'd. If he goes off course and gains time (sometimes even if he loses time) he will get a costly slow down.

iRacing is MUCH more strict in this regard than AC or pCARS, or any racing game I've ever played.

[boo the goo pc]

You can cut the same corner 17 times in 1 race and you call that "NOT LENIENT" 3 times on same corner per race should be a penality.

I've seen the replay and can say 100% they was clearly cutting the second part of the chicane and carrying massive speed as a result.

I guess the lesson to be learned is use your X's wisely as its perfectly acceptable.

[=Kabal=]

Its a risk! If he do that 16 times he cant have any other incident, the risk of disqualification is really high and from my point of view is not woth it.

Its like the last corner in Summit, if you let the car go wider and go into the dirt the car will have much more speed on the straight, but at the cost of a constant 1x, and of course, dirty tires ;-).

[TONKLER]

Originally posted by boo the goo pc:

You can cut the same corner 17 times in 1 race and you call that "NOT LENIENT" 3 times on same corner per race should be a penality.

I've seen the replay and can say 100% they was clearly cutting the second part of the chicane and carrying massive speed as a result.

I guess the lesson to be learned is use your X's wisely as its perfectly acceptable.

There is some inconsistency with where the edges of the track are in different places at different tracks. Imola for example is VERY generous in a lot of places, but other tracks will give you an off-track for even looking at the edge of the track.

It may simply be worth passing it on to support, to get a slowdown penalty added to anyone who gets an offtrack on the inside of the last part of the Bus Stop. There clearly isn't one there if someone can gain time by cutting, so pass it onto the official channels and they will be able to take appropriate action. It probably wouldn't be protestable, because there is the off-track there.

Someone who "uses" their inc limit though is not someone I would want to race, that's the sort of person that would make contact to hold a position, or block when you try to pass. I always aim for the lowest number of incs possible, because I don't want to tank my SR, I've done it in the past, lost my A licence to it once and almost lost it in S2 as well, but managed to save it with a BES race at Sebring.

[wilburnator]

Originally posted by boo the goo pc:

You can cut the same corner 17 times in 1 race and you call that "NOT LENIENT" 3 times on same corner per race should be a penality.

I've seen the replay and can say 100% they was clearly cutting the second part of the chicane and carrying massive speed as a result.

I guess the lesson to be learned is use your X's wisely as its perfectly acceptable.

I didn't see the replay, you say you did. Let's see it, already, I'd love to see what you are calling a cut corner...

I'm guess you are probably engaging in hyperbole. Show me any racing sim that is more harsh in this regard than iRacing. I don't think it exists. And it is true that Imola, the newest track, is more generous than other tracks, even that is more strict than tracks in other games.

You learn the limits of the track and stay within them, because intentionally "using your x's wisely" is a moron's game, as it affects your license and approaching the limit on purpose will get you disqualified as soon as some unanticipated contact or spin occurs. And they do occur.

[SlomoRacing]

Winning isnt everything, especially in iracing, id rather place 10th knowing that i have above A 4.0 SR than constantly having to keep my SR in check to make up for speed i dont legitimately have.

Having said that, if you study the top blokes they know how to use every Millimetre of the track to maximise there lap times. In a lot of instances you wouldnt run the same lines in RL

[R3plica]

lol gaining 2 seconds a lap so he was totally missing the corner out? sure would like to see this replay it sounds too weird.