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Skip to about 12 minutes in if you don't wanna watch it all. You could go to like 14minutes but they make mention to some stuff about their conversations between artists and physics engineers.
Point being, if they wanted to, they could. Not that they should, the goal is to provide the most realistic racing experience possible, right? But, at the same time, when I started racing I was using a CH Fighterstick and rudder pedals for throttle/brake. People use controllers, as far as I know you can map steering input to a mouse and all kinds of analog controls to binary key-press inputs. Just something to think about.
Perhaps it is hard to understand,,, for some.
Right, why can't you understand? You called it an unrealistic advantage and I gave a clear example as to why it isn't.
here's another one, try to follow along
Many of the sequential vehicles have automatic clutching and shift prevention that won't let the driver downshift when rpms are too high. It could be worked that if a driver went from 5th to 3rd that the car would cycle down through the gears normally as the car slowed. How is that any different than driving with the auto shift driving aid on?
The sequential gearbox cars that have full clutch control allow the driver to downshift when they want which is already covered by my previous comment, going to 3rd from 5th by tapping is even faster than using an H-shifter.. you didn't think that's an advantage? Really?
Does the throttle control aid not give an unrealistic advantage to people using it over those that don't? How about the auto shifting aid by itself? and the clutch aid and braking aid, hell, throw in the driving line too!
You need to go back to the drawing board and rethink this "It gives an unrealistic advantage" remark. You didn't even make an argument, you made a statement then didn't/couldn't even defend it while not taking any of the pre-existing aids into account... maybe it is hard for some to understand, including you specifically. If you're going to argue a point then do it, don't be a child and immediately resort to ad-hominem the moment your idea is challenged. Maybe you should just sit this one out.
I understand if you don't want to use it that way. It's silly that it's the reason you don't want to play the game to me, but I can understand that you want a specific system in the game.
This game does not offer that to you. It's not stupid for not doing so. It just doesn't. Play another game that does.
I mean right now we're having an issue that the NASCAR cars don't actually allow for a real-life incar change because of how they do their physics (it's part of the garage calculations that are made before the car gets put into the simulation. Essentially changing it would require them to completely alter the car and reload it mid race. So that is something we'd like for them to work on vs something like h-shifter patterns in a non-h shifter car.
In fact, it's one of the few things i LOVE about iRacing and hate about other games. I never know which shifter style i'm supposed to be using to get the most out of that particular car. Sometimes I've figured it out but only after finding the car is really hard to control with an h-shifter ( a prime example is one of the early touring cars in Project Cars that reminds me of a Miata, which uses an H-pattern shifter, but i found out uses paddle shifters and reacted much better in terms of downshifting with them.)
So yeah.
Play another game. Enjoy. <3
It's quite counterproductive to the aim of simulation really.
Actually driving aid systems that are not part of the cars electronic systems are programmed in the sim to give a disadvantage, if you're a good driver it will make you slower. The same goes for using paddle shift and auto-clutch on H-shifter cars, there is a small disadvantage programmed in, it is slower.
sure, the auto clutch is slower but the shifting isn't. using paddles or sequential stick is absolutely faster than shifting with an H-shifter if you're using a pedal. there's no built-in measure to simulate the time it takes to go through each gate so you can change gears literally as fast as you can press. as far as aids being programmed to give a disadvantage, where did you see that info? braking aid and throttle aid have no extra description in the official FAQ other than what their intended use is for, preventing locking/spinning tires, it doesn't state anything about enforcing a disadvantage whatsoever. however, it did say that driving aids only work in rookie series. even with that in the FAQ i'm quite positive the first time i raced at bristol in the K&N car i had the driving line on for braking reference in an official class D race.
It's not faster, if you're driving a H-shift car with paddles and auto-clutch the gear changes take longer, and you lose momentum during upshifts. Maybe if you're just bad at H-shifting then yes the paddles are faster, but a good driver is faster with the H-shifter.
I used to race the rookie MX5 series years ago and I tried to force myself to use the H-shifter so I could keep up with the fastest guys, who had a straight line advantage due to not using autoclutch and a sequential. At the time I had to use paddles because I wasn't skilled enough to drive at my best with a H-shifter. We are talking tenths per lap here.
And yes the aids give a disadvantage to driving properly, if you have the skill to drive you will notice it almost immediately just by running laps and doing an A/B test that having the driving aids on makes the car slower.
How is it "objectively faster". Changing gear is about timing, with a G27 shifter or similar it takes zero time to switch a single gear, it's as instant as a paddle unless you're quickly switching gears in succession like in a Formula car.. The skill comes down to timing, rev matching, if you have time to use the manual clutch then it's irrelevant since you spend more time operating the clutch than it takes to either flip a paddle or move a h-shifter into gear.
Ultimately why you switched the conversation to not using auto-clutch when I was talking about autoclutch and driving aids I don't know. Maybe it fits your agenda to try to find a hole in my post by taking it out of context or what?
As for the driving aids slowing the car, they do. Just because you can't find any documentation it doesn't make it less true. What is your driving skill level? I dont mean to offend but I suspect I'm talking to a slow uncle.
I can confirm as a user of Auto-blip/clutch, I am slower than those who do it all manually. I can't get on with a H-pattern so I just do everything with a sequential if it has a stick then paddles for the cars that use them. Any time I'm on a straight where I need to change gear I lose time against anyone doing it all properly. I'm also an ex-controller user struggling to surpass the levels I reached with that.
That's where the conversation started, with wilburnator claiming that being able to use an h shifter in a car that uses sequential would give an unfair advantage. But he didn't really think it through.
My own skill? I'm not setting any records but I'm not running in the back unless I'm in the SFR. I don't drive it enough to get used to it. I only really drive oval in the camping world series. The trucks being so unstable gives me goosebumps so I just race those. I can't say that it's impossible that by preventing a bit of slip while driving at the limit of a cars ability would make a driver lose time, because I just don't know, im not racing at that level. But why would someone skilled enough to drive at a cars limit bother with the aid? The aids are to prevent spinning out and those drivers aren't spinning out, well.... not as much as rookies do haha. Since the aids only function in rookie it's really only relevant to talk about the people that can use them. There aren't very many rookies coming into Iracing capable driving the mx5 at the limit, if any at all.
Given that context you don't think aids designed to prevent losing control under hard acceleration and hard braking won't give a driver an advantage against people still learning to drive in the sim?
Even with that being the case, not every driver is biting at the heels of the fastest guys on the track. While I can't make an argument against the aids making the fastest people lose time, my original point was that the aids give an advantage, and that's true for a large percentage of drivers, if they didn't give an advantage I'm sure they would allow them to be used beyond rookie series.
Like for example the traction control on modern racing cars, it's absolutely an advantage, even if only for stabalising rear tyre temperatures and reducing the risk of overheating, but the traction control on many road cars (especially older ones) does nothing but slow you down, power sucking. The same goes with ABS, in many cases a skilled driver using threshold braking can perform better than ABS, even if the ultimate solution and application of ABS (top end racing equipment) would likely win out.
When I say the aids slow you down I mean in the optimal laptime sense, they reduce the potential of the car, even if for the individual driver they may represent an advantage, the fastest laps produced by that car will have driving aids off.