Ace of Spades versus Guncraft versus Blockstorm

[Zeta Defender]

They seen like FPS clones of each other. What are the differences between the three and which one has the most positive upside?

[donzen]

We will include simple enemies, not bot.
The AI for bots in a destructible environment requires lot of time on programming/design and computing resources.

[Tater_Salad]

thanks for the reply donzen.
It's just frustrating shooting at bricks while you wait for others to join.. even if it was hide and seek or something it would be a bit of fun to shoot at something while the server is empty.

[ohayoubaka]

I have played both the classic Ace of Spades and Jagex Ace of Spades, Blockstorm and Guncraft.

Let's start with classic Ace of Spades. Ace of Spades Classic is a free voxel FPS. Before v0.54 when the SMG got added, Ace of Spades was a pretty slow-paced, tactical kind of voxel shooter set in a WW1-WW2 type of enviornment, usually on a randomly generated map which was quite hilly. These were called by some people as to be the "glory days" of Ace of Spades. But then with the addition of the SMG and Shotgun, the game became pretty fast-paced, while custom maps were usually smaller. A popular map that is played on v0.75 (the most popular version) is Hallway, I personally hate this map as most populated servers usually host only this map, and it doesn't allow you to dig tunnels underground. These versions of Ace of Spades are very good for modding though, you could have custom maps, custom player and weapon skins, and even custom server scripts to do all kinds of crazy stuff (airstrikes, squads, etc). This version of Ace of Spades is now left abandoned in terms of development, although development has been brought back in terms of 3rd-party custom clients (OpenSpades is a good example, it is a client of Ace of Spades 0.75/0.76 that has been improved drastically in graphics, animations and GUI). The lack of development obviously means that some cheat programs have been made and left unfixed until infinity (a quick Google search easily shows links to download aimbots), and overpowered SMGs were left to completely dominate over Rifle and Shotgun users.

Then there's Jagex's Ace of Spades. Jagex had bought out Ace of Spades from Ben Aksoy (the original developer) around when v0.60 came out IIRC. Then after v0.76 was released, classic Ace of Spades was abandoned from development and this lead to the release of Jagex's Ace of Spades. This version has recieved a lot of negativity from the playerbase of the classic Ace of Spades, it was no longer F2P, it was plauged with bugs and balancing problems, and had a major gameplay overhaul (for the better or worse depending on who you are, do you like Jetpacks and RPGs?), but although Jagex has mostly ignored what the community wanted over time they have started to get back to their senses and started to listen to the community finally, what they have added that the community wanted was first a Classic CTF mode, that was in terms of gameplay quite similar to the pre-SMG days of Ace of Spades (just with improved graphics, and no randomly generated maps). Then came a map editor, which allowed people to create custom maps to use in custom matches. Dedicated servers came along after, which although having a dedicated server yourself is only possible by renting a server, allowed you to have a server not hosted by Jagex, and having more control over your server, being able to use commands, etc. In the Community Beta update, when a few months after this game was released the ability to customize player and model skins got removed, this ability was added back into the game, but with the exception of dimension limits of custom player and weapon skins. Some of the bugs and game balancing problems got ironed out, although some still remain at large. The consensus with most players seems to be negative, although people like the improved graphics and maybe some people liked the new weapons, most did not like the whole new gameplay change with jetpacks and RPGs.

Next up is Guncraft. On paper, Guncraft sounds like a solid voxel-based FPS, it takes cues from Battlefield and Ace of Spades, it supports weapon customization, has some interesting weapons you can use (grappling hooks), can have custom maps and it has vehicles. But the truth is, all of these great ideas were poorly executed in reality. First off, you'll be hard-pressed to find any decent amount of players in a match. There's only about a dozen servers total on the server list and almost all of them are usually left empty. Then comes on weapon modding. Custom weapon stats sounds like a good idea right? It's just a perfect recipe for making overpowered, game-dominating weapons. Did I mention that your weapon mods have to be approved by a moderator before even you can use them in-game yourself, and if you break their strict rules of weapon modding, you can be banned from making weapon mods? So that means no funny penis guns unfortunately :(. And vehicles aren't really the best in dynamically changing voxel environments either, it would be pretty obvious why. Also, out of all 4 games listed here, Guncraft is also the most expensive.

Finally we go into Blockstorm. Blockstorm being a relatively new game is an early-access game, recieving regular updates (several times a month, not sure you could say the same of Ace of Spades or Guncraft). Blockstorm is a pretty fast-paced voxel FPS like Ace of Spades and Guncraft, but while Jagex's Ace of Spades and Guncraft have classes that can only carry certain weapons and look really chees, in Blockstorm you don't have classes, and use any combination of weapons you want. Blockstorm also has the option of custom maps and lets you make very detailed custom player skins for everyone to see in matches (unlike Guncraft there isn't some ridiculous approval process, so penis skins galore!). Blockstorm has a certain charm that Ace of Spades and Guncraft just don't have, sure Ace of Spades and Guncraft can be fun at times, but Blockstorm is just fast-paced, ridiculous and simple fun. Just try playing it yourself to get the idea. It also features better graphics than both Ace of Spades and Guncrafft, and is cheaper than both of those games (except the classic Ace of Spades which is free). The only critcisms would be the lack of players (although not as severe as Guncraft, there is usually only one or two servers with a decent amount of players at least Team Deathmatch wise, you could probably find one other server with people on other game modes too), sniper rifle is pretty useless as the mouse movement speed drastically reduces when you scope in, and it could do with custom weapon skins.

tl;dr: Overall, there is no excuse for giving classic Ace of Spades a try (the only cost is the few megabytes it takes up your hardrive!), but if you want to pay for your voxel FPS, Blockstorm is definitely your choice to go with, with Ace of Spades Jagex being good at times, and it's Classic CTF/Gangster modes are pretty fun, it is flawed in some critical areas, and Guncraft was basically destined to be a dead game from day one. Plus you save £1 over Ace of Spades, and £2 over Guncraft!

[Redcorpian]

Originally posted by 1Shot1Kill™:

I have played both the classic Ace of Spades and Jagex Ace of Spades, Blockstorm and Guncraft.

Let's start with classic Ace of Spades. Ace of Spades Classic is a free voxel FPS. Before v0.54 when the SMG got added, Ace of Spades was a pretty slow-paced, tactical kind of voxel shooter set in a WW1-WW2 type of enviornment, usually on a randomly generated map which was quite hilly. These were called by some people as to be the "glory days" of Ace of Spades. But then with the addition of the SMG and Shotgun, the game became pretty fast-paced, while custom maps were usually smaller. A popular map that is played on v0.75 (the most popular version) is Hallway, I personally hate this map as most populated servers usually host only this map, and it doesn't allow you to dig tunnels underground. These versions of Ace of Spades are very good for modding though, you could have custom maps, custom player and weapon skins, and even custom server scripts to do all kinds of crazy stuff (airstrikes, squads, etc). This version of Ace of Spades is now left abandoned in terms of development, although development has been brought back in terms of 3rd-party custom clients (OpenSpades is a good example, it is a client of Ace of Spades 0.75/0.76 that has been improved drastically in graphics, animations and GUI). The lack of development obviously means that some cheat programs have been made and left unfixed until infinity (a quick Google search easily shows links to download aimbots), and overpowered SMGs were left to completely dominate over Rifle and Shotgun users.

Then there's Jagex's Ace of Spades. Jagex had bought out Ace of Spades from Ben Aksoy (the original developer) around when v0.60 came out IIRC. Then after v0.76 was released, classic Ace of Spades was abandoned from development and this lead to the release of Jagex's Ace of Spades. This version has recieved a lot of negativity from the playerbase of the classic Ace of Spades, it was no longer F2P, it was plauged with bugs and balancing problems, and had a major gameplay overhaul (for the better or worse depending on who you are, do you like Jetpacks and RPGs?), but although Jagex has mostly ignored what the community wanted over time they have started to get back to their senses and started to listen to the community finally, what they have added that the community wanted was first a Classic CTF mode, that was in terms of gameplay quite similar to the pre-SMG days of Ace of Spades (just with improved graphics, and no randomly generated maps). Then came a map editor, which allowed people to create custom maps to use in custom matches. Dedicated servers came along after, which although having a dedicated server yourself is only possible by renting a server, allowed you to have a server not hosted by Jagex, and having more control over your server, being able to use commands, etc. In the Community Beta update, when a few months after this game was released the ability to customize player and model skins got removed, this ability was added back into the game, but with the exception of dimension limits of custom player and weapon skins. Some of the bugs and game balancing problems got ironed out, although some still remain at large. The consensus with most players seems to be negative, although people like the improved graphics and maybe some people liked the new weapons, most did not like the whole new gameplay change with jetpacks and RPGs.

Next up is Guncraft. On paper, Guncraft sounds like a solid voxel-based FPS, it takes cues from Battlefield and Ace of Spades, it supports weapon customization, has some interesting weapons you can use (grappling hooks), can have custom maps and it has vehicles. But the truth is, all of these great ideas were poorly executed in reality. First off, you'll be hard-pressed to find any decent amount of players in a match. There's only about a dozen servers total on the server list and almost all of them are usually left empty. Then comes on weapon modding. Custom weapon stats sounds like a good idea right? It's just a perfect recipe for making overpowered, game-dominating weapons. Did I mention that your weapon mods have to be approved by a moderator before even you can use them in-game yourself, and if you break their strict rules of weapon modding, you can be banned from making weapon mods? So that means no funny penis guns unfortunately :(. And vehicles aren't really the best in dynamically changing voxel environments either, it would be pretty obvious why. Also, out of all 4 games listed here, Guncraft is also the most expensive.

Finally we go into Blockstorm. Blockstorm being a relatively new game is an early-access game, recieving regular updates (several times a month, not sure you could say the same of Ace of Spades or Guncraft). Blockstorm is a pretty fast-paced voxel FPS like Ace of Spades and Guncraft, but while Jagex's Ace of Spades and Guncraft have classes that can only carry certain weapons and look really chees, in Blockstorm you don't have classes, and use any combination of weapons you want. Blockstorm also has the option of custom maps and lets you make very detailed custom player skins for everyone to see in matches (unlike Guncraft there isn't some ridiculous approval process, so penis skins galore!). Blockstorm has a certain charm that Ace of Spades and Guncraft just don't have, sure Ace of Spades and Guncraft can be fun at times, but Blockstorm is just fast-paced, ridiculous and simple fun. Just try playing it yourself to get the idea. It also features better graphics than both Ace of Spades and Guncrafft, and is cheaper than both of those games (except the classic Ace of Spades which is free). The only critcisms would be the lack of players (although not as severe as Guncraft, there is usually only one or two servers with a decent amount of players at least Team Deathmatch wise, you could probably find one other server with people on other game modes too), sniper rifle is pretty useless as the mouse movement speed drastically reduces when you scope in, and it could do with custom weapon skins.

tl;dr: Overall, there is no excuse for giving classic Ace of Spades a try (the only cost is the few megabytes it takes up your hardrive!), but if you want to pay for your voxel FPS, Blockstorm is definitely your choice to go with, with Ace of Spades Jagex being good at times, and it's Classic CTF/Gangster modes are pretty fun, it is flawed in some critical areas, and Guncraft was basically destined to be a dead game from day one. Plus you save £1 over Ace of Spades, and £2 over Guncraft!

...you Exaggerated way too much in the Guncraft section, and Murder Miners isn't on this list. Funny, I could have sworn you were ignoring it.

Guncraft is not "pooly executed" unless you count the fact that there is a small amount of devs, this game is executed great. Your arguments are "very few people, weapons "mods" (gunsmithing, its not a mod.) vehicles, and its the most expensive.

blatantly, the vehicles one isn't very obvious, are you so used to just having guns Ace of spades player? -.-

AOS is the same price as Guncraft. (last time I checked)

all of these games have "very few people." I find more people in Guncraft than I do Blockstorm.

The Guncraft gunsmithing is NOT the "recipe for building OP, game breaking weapons." Especially when they all have the same amount of points to be put into different places to make the guns FAIR. In fact, this is plain ignorant for someone who says that they know what they are talking about because they have played Guncraft.

and btw, you are sick and twisted if you want to even make a gun like that. Your imagination is corrupt and you are corrupting other people's imaginations. You go ahead and ruin your life. The devs of Guncraft however want Guncraft to be safe and secure and easily playable by children.

You present your opinions as fact, and try to make Guncraft seems like a fools choice. but a fool would go for the game with the least content and worst gameplay. You are called "a hater." you hate Guncraft for reasons that have been fixed ages ago. be realistic.

Blockstorm section is a comparison, and Classes fit Guncraft's gameplay, Ace of spades I don't know about however I am pretty sure their system should be the same as blockstorm's system. "the only problem would be lack of player (though not as bad as Guncrafts) Guncraft came out first, has more content, MORE players, and you LIE in a desperate attempt to fill a game's flaw. Guncraft is also recieving updates, but with more content over larger chunks of time. Blockstorm recieves small updates every now and then. AOS doesn't recieve updates at all. and about what you said for the skins, Blockstorm has a mature content button so that content flaged as "mature" will be blocked, so no... yeah, shut up about that anyway sicko. The part about Blockstorm's multiplayer is that it does have a charm, so does Guncraft and AOS, in their own special ways. its like comparing the taste's of chalk and cheese. Guncraft's Graphics have been explained millions of times, the were made to run on old machines, like toasters. AOS is older, and it has a different style of graphics. so i would say that it is pretty good on its own. The sniper rifle is perfect. you argue about it because you are used to op snipers, and the one in blockstorm is the best Sniper rifle in a game that I have ever seen. (agree on the weapon skins)

your conclusion is trying to get us to get AOS classic. and steer clear of the game with the most content, nice one there. might as well tell us to go buy cod and steer clear of bf4 because cod is cheaper.

Opinions are all over your thread. admit it. I admit that I play Guncraft more than other games, and that my opinion is biased, but that doesn't give you the excuse to try and make Guncraft sound like the piece of crap that it ISN'T.

[Redcorpian]

remember that Murder Miners is also good guys, go check that one out.

[ohayoubaka]

Originally posted by Redcorpian:

remember that Murder Miners is also good guys, go check that one out.

I've ignored Murder Miners because I've only bought that yesterday and I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Also, you barely have any experience on Jagex's AoS, 0.4 hrs isn't enough to judge any game.

I don't just hate Guncraft randomly, that's what the game deserves because it's just really like that, for the various reasons I have listed above that you have ignored as a Guncraft fanboy.

I've said you should try out Ace of Spades Classic for the simple fact it is FREE (and also
I'm pretty sure CoD games are more expensive than their Battlefield counterparts).

Please don't pretend to exaggerate the amount of players who play Guncraft, you're lucky if you have 2 servers full at the same time (no seriously, just go in the server browser at any random time and you'll be hard-pressed to find any amount of players). Hell, Blockstorm isn't the most populated game either, but there's usually at least 1 decently sized server (ie, more than 5 players in a match). Sure it might have had a lot of players in the beginning, but after people found how the game wasn't what it lived up to be, they abandoned it.

I don't like overpowered sniper rifles, but I don't like useless ones either. In Blockstorm, it's much easier to use the Rifle to snipe instead. Also, please give me a source for that "mature button" thing, because I have not seen that anywhere in Blockstorm (not in the character editor, settings menu or in-game at least).

Also, you're saying Guncraft can run on a toaster, but it needs at least a DX10 graphics card to work, so you can't run that game on your grandmothers rig (Ace of Spades Classic can though, you can run that on just about anything that can run Windows XP or forward).

In conclusion, please don't pass off these facts as "opinions" just because you don't like the truth, and stop being such a Guncraft fanboy.

[Tater_Salad]

Murder MIners, Yet another voxoll shoter game that will be a barren wasteland.
The point is AOS free always has players and several full/nearly full servers.

I played guncraft and really wanted to like it and wasn't impressed.. I can't say why because I haven't fired it up in a long time.

Id' like to play more blockstorm but when I try and play it it's empty.

These games should all be called Voxoll Shooter: The great void

[Redcorpian]

Originally posted by Tater_Salad:

Murder MIners, Yet another voxoll shoter game that will be a barren wasteland.
The point is AOS free always has players and several full/nearly full servers.

I played guncraft and really wanted to like it and wasn't impressed.. I can't say why because I haven't fired it up in a long time.

Id' like to play more blockstorm but when I try and play it it's empty.

These games should all be called Voxoll Shooter: The great void

Muder miners has more players from EX-Boox. it was originally an Xbox game but it was tranferred to PC, it is gaining popularity, not diminishing.

and my favourite type of game is a voxel game ;-; its not a void, its just got a lot of space to fill with stuff, (people) but that stuff has a general mindset that they are all copycats and leaves... and it's stupid. Ever heard of COD? its a celebrated game. Ever heard of BATTLEFIELD? it's also a celebrated game. They have similar elements, but you don't really hear people calling them clones of one another... all voxel games come from people who just want to make a different game, and they succede, but most people see "blocks" and go "MINECOPY LOL" and run away... AOS scared most people away so that when other companies came with good games they all got murdered by the mentality...

[Redcorpian]

Originally posted by 1Shot1Kill™:

Originally posted by Redcorpian:

remember that Murder Miners is also good guys, go check that one out.

I've ignored Murder Miners because I've only bought that yesterday and I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Also, you barely have any experience on Jagex's AoS, 0.4 hrs isn't enough to judge any game.

I don't just hate Guncraft randomly, that's what the game deserves because it's just really like that, for the various reasons I have listed above that you have ignored as a Guncraft fanboy.

I've said you should try out Ace of Spades Classic for the simple fact it is FREE (and also
I'm pretty sure CoD games are more expensive than their Battlefield counterparts).

Please don't pretend to exaggerate the amount of players who play Guncraft, you're lucky if you have 2 servers full at the same time (no seriously, just go in the server browser at any random time and you'll be hard-pressed to find any amount of players). Hell, Blockstorm isn't the most populated game either, but there's usually at least 1 decently sized server (ie, more than 5 players in a match). Sure it might have had a lot of players in the beginning, but after people found how the game wasn't what it lived up to be, they abandoned it.

I don't like overpowered sniper rifles, but I don't like useless ones either. In Blockstorm, it's much easier to use the Rifle to snipe instead. Also, please give me a source for that "mature button" thing, because I have not seen that anywhere in Blockstorm (not in the character editor, settings menu or in-game at least).

Also, you're saying Guncraft can run on a toaster, but it needs at least a DX10 graphics card to work, so you can't run that game on your grandmothers rig (Ace of Spades Classic can though, you can run that on just about anything that can run Windows XP or forward).

In conclusion, please don't pass off these facts as "opinions" just because you don't like the truth, and stop being such a Guncraft fanboy.

stop being such an AOS fanboy then. hypocrite. I am a massive nerd for Guncraft because of the community mostly, soooo many nice people, unlike you, which apparently "most people" hate. Source? your own forums.

"what this game deserves" FOR WHAT!? having vehicles? oh wait, you aren't used to vehicles because your game doesn't have them. For it's OP guns? the only OP guns are ones from previous updates, when you add your own stats to guns (you should know this, You said yourself you have "played" Guncraft.) you have 150 points, so does everyone else, nobody has over that limit. There are OP guns running around right now seeing as the new update brought gaps into the system, but the Developers are cleaning that up quickly. like, this week quickly. and all these voxel games have low counts of people except for yours, and yours is free, if Guncraft was free you would be seeing a LOT more people, and possibly a chance of these people beating the amount in AOS bb, and AOS bns. And I will exaggerate the amount of people playing Guncraft at one time, because really... its the same amount if not more than Blockstorm. I play both. guy up there has said that Blockstorm is also mostly empty, you say don't exaggerate and exaggerate in the same sentance with "it has at least one decently sized game of 5 people on at a time... " We have the same "no that's not true it's empty most of the time" SO IS BLOCKSTORM DAMMIT.

I do agree that people should try and see what they want to get. AOS classic is great, I've tryed it, I highly recommend it to any gamers that want a free, completely basic gaming experience. The Mods make it even better because you can edit your guns to look awesome, and it isn't cheating because no-one else can see it nor does it affect the gameplay, but it is still sad that you have to mod to use it.

I also Highly recommend Guncraft for it's features, easy building powers (I would rather build ANYTHING in Guncraft because you can share it and it is made easy by a few features like increasing the brush size, length, hight, offset, depth, brush type, prefabs, copy paste, and many more rather than placing it block by block) playing the game in your desired way,(like with a rifle, a shotgun, prefebs, melee, hookshot, camping, running into the fray, and the fact that you can just about customise anything. JUST ABOUT. not there yet. (although this coming update I am expecting vehicle customisation :D)

I ALSO Highly recommend Blockstorm for it's fair play, skin making (become a famous person by making a skin completely out of blocks) and Building feautures (just like any art program for games or not, GIMP, SLAB6, Guncraft's editor, it takes a while to learn all the tricks of the trade.) It is also recieveing regular updates and is in early access, which mean's it could be a totally different game by release! (lets hope that it isn't TOO different.)

I recommend Murder Miners to the Halo fan, people who didn't really like Halo might like it too but it is orientated off of halo It has intersting gameplay, a charactor editor that gives you space armour that you can colour, A very good zombie mode, zombie BOTS so that you can play singleplayer, it has quite a few people on at one time, (with lots of servers with only one person in them and one server with most of the players on top), A high player limit (higher than Guncraft and Blockstorm, I forget the exact number but it is pretty good for a small game) and it is generally a game you XBOX fans would love, go get it.

[ohayoubaka]

Originally posted by Redcorpian:

Originally posted by 1Shot1Kill™:

I've ignored Murder Miners because I've only bought that yesterday and I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Also, you barely have any experience on Jagex's AoS, 0.4 hrs isn't enough to judge any game.

I don't just hate Guncraft randomly, that's what the game deserves because it's just really like that, for the various reasons I have listed above that you have ignored as a Guncraft fanboy.

I've said you should try out Ace of Spades Classic for the simple fact it is FREE (and also
I'm pretty sure CoD games are more expensive than their Battlefield counterparts).

Please don't pretend to exaggerate the amount of players who play Guncraft, you're lucky if you have 2 servers full at the same time (no seriously, just go in the server browser at any random time and you'll be hard-pressed to find any amount of players). Hell, Blockstorm isn't the most populated game either, but there's usually at least 1 decently sized server (ie, more than 5 players in a match). Sure it might have had a lot of players in the beginning, but after people found how the game wasn't what it lived up to be, they abandoned it.

I don't like overpowered sniper rifles, but I don't like useless ones either. In Blockstorm, it's much easier to use the Rifle to snipe instead. Also, please give me a source for that "mature button" thing, because I have not seen that anywhere in Blockstorm (not in the character editor, settings menu or in-game at least).

Also, you're saying Guncraft can run on a toaster, but it needs at least a DX10 graphics card to work, so you can't run that game on your grandmothers rig (Ace of Spades Classic can though, you can run that on just about anything that can run Windows XP or forward).

In conclusion, please don't pass off these facts as "opinions" just because you don't like the truth, and stop being such a Guncraft fanboy.

stop being such an AOS fanboy then. hypocrite. I am a massive nerd for Guncraft because of the community mostly, soooo many nice people, unlike you, which apparently "most people" hate. Source? your own forums.

"what this game deserves" FOR WHAT!? having vehicles? oh wait, you aren't used to vehicles because your game doesn't have them. For it's OP guns? the only OP guns are ones from previous updates, when you add your own stats to guns (you should know this, You said yourself you have "played" Guncraft.) you have 150 points, so does everyone else, nobody has over that limit. There are OP guns running around right now seeing as the new update brought gaps into the system, but the Developers are cleaning that up quickly. like, this week quickly. and all these voxel games have low counts of people except for yours, and yours is free, if Guncraft was free you would be seeing a LOT more people, and possibly a chance of these people beating the amount in AOS bb, and AOS bns. And I will exaggerate the amount of people playing Guncraft at one time, because really... its the same amount if not more than Blockstorm. I play both. guy up there has said that Blockstorm is also mostly empty, you say don't exaggerate and exaggerate in the same sentance with "it has at least one decently sized game of 5 people on at a time... " We have the same "no that's not true it's empty most of the time" SO IS BLOCKSTORM DAMMIT.

I do agree that people should try and see what they want to get. AOS classic is great, I've tryed it, I highly recommend it to any gamers that want a free, completely basic gaming experience. The Mods make it even better because you can edit your guns to look awesome, and it isn't cheating because no-one else can see it nor does it affect the gameplay, but it is still sad that you have to mod to use it.

I also Highly recommend Guncraft for it's features, easy building powers (I would rather build ANYTHING in Guncraft because you can share it and it is made easy by a few features like increasing the brush size, length, hight, offset, depth, brush type, prefabs, copy paste, and many more rather than placing it block by block) playing the game in your desired way,(like with a rifle, a shotgun, prefebs, melee, hookshot, camping, running into the fray, and the fact that you can just about customise anything. JUST ABOUT. not there yet. (although this coming update I am expecting vehicle customisation :D)

I ALSO Highly recommend Blockstorm for it's fair play, skin making (become a famous person by making a skin completely out of blocks) and Building feautures (just like any art program for games or not, GIMP, SLAB6, Guncraft's editor, it takes a while to learn all the tricks of the trade.) It is also recieveing regular updates and is in early access, which mean's it could be a totally different game by release! (lets hope that it isn't TOO different.)

I recommend Murder Miners to the Halo fan, people who didn't really like Halo might like it too but it is orientated off of halo It has intersting gameplay, a charactor editor that gives you space armour that you can colour, A very good zombie mode, zombie BOTS so that you can play singleplayer, it has quite a few people on at one time, (with lots of servers with only one person in them and one server with most of the players on top), A high player limit (higher than Guncraft and Blockstorm, I forget the exact number but it is pretty good for a small game) and it is generally a game you XBOX fans would love, go get it.

Look on the reviews page on the Guncraft store page. You'll see that a lot of those reviews are negative, because of stuff such as the vehicles are OP, for example the tank has lots of HP and can deal 1 hit kills. Even though everyone gets 150 points for custom weapon stats, you can still make your custom weapon better than the default weapons at least. Jagex's Ace of Spades and Blockstorm are both paid games, yet they have a bigger playerbase than you, because those games aren't total failures. Yes both Blockstorm and GUncraft are lacking in players, but the problem is worse in Guncraft. Blockstorm has more players than you think, every time I play it there's always at least 1 decently sized server in TDM and DM, usually there's 2-3 servers with players on both modes each. You'd be lucky to see 2 or more servers on Guncraft with anybody on them. I have 50 Steam friends who play Guncraft, and out of all of those only 1 person has played more than 1 hour in the past 2 weeks.

About Ace of Spades, you have to mod to use mods, because that's why it's called "modding", on Guncraft you still have to go to the Steam Workshop to download a custom gun. Even though both Ace of Spades games have big flaws in gameplay, development wise (and for the classic, cheats), they are still at the better end of all the voxel FPSes (due to the fact that it was the first voxel FPS game, if you don't count Roblox basically inventing that whole game genre, being quite unique in gameplay, and good mod support, and the classic version is free, and supports some interesting server scripts through the PySnip server software such as custom game modes. Have you even played Jagex's Ace of Spades? Doesn't look like so on your Steam profile so don't talk about something you have zero knowledge in.

[Redcorpian]

Originally posted by 1Shot1Kill™:

Originally posted by Redcorpian:

stop being such an AOS fanboy then. hypocrite. I am a massive nerd for Guncraft because of the community mostly, soooo many nice people, unlike you, which apparently "most people" hate. Source? your own forums.

"what this game deserves" FOR WHAT!? having vehicles? oh wait, you aren't used to vehicles because your game doesn't have them. For it's OP guns? the only OP guns are ones from previous updates, when you add your own stats to guns (you should know this, You said yourself you have "played" Guncraft.) you have 150 points, so does everyone else, nobody has over that limit. There are OP guns running around right now seeing as the new update brought gaps into the system, but the Developers are cleaning that up quickly. like, this week quickly. and all these voxel games have low counts of people except for yours, and yours is free, if Guncraft was free you would be seeing a LOT more people, and possibly a chance of these people beating the amount in AOS bb, and AOS bns. And I will exaggerate the amount of people playing Guncraft at one time, because really... its the same amount if not more than Blockstorm. I play both. guy up there has said that Blockstorm is also mostly empty, you say don't exaggerate and exaggerate in the same sentance with "it has at least one decently sized game of 5 people on at a time... " We have the same "no that's not true it's empty most of the time" SO IS BLOCKSTORM DAMMIT.

I do agree that people should try and see what they want to get. AOS classic is great, I've tryed it, I highly recommend it to any gamers that want a free, completely basic gaming experience. The Mods make it even better because you can edit your guns to look awesome, and it isn't cheating because no-one else can see it nor does it affect the gameplay, but it is still sad that you have to mod to use it.

I also Highly recommend Guncraft for it's features, easy building powers (I would rather build ANYTHING in Guncraft because you can share it and it is made easy by a few features like increasing the brush size, length, hight, offset, depth, brush type, prefabs, copy paste, and many more rather than placing it block by block) playing the game in your desired way,(like with a rifle, a shotgun, prefebs, melee, hookshot, camping, running into the fray, and the fact that you can just about customise anything. JUST ABOUT. not there yet. (although this coming update I am expecting vehicle customisation :D)

I ALSO Highly recommend Blockstorm for it's fair play, skin making (become a famous person by making a skin completely out of blocks) and Building feautures (just like any art program for games or not, GIMP, SLAB6, Guncraft's editor, it takes a while to learn all the tricks of the trade.) It is also recieveing regular updates and is in early access, which mean's it could be a totally different game by release! (lets hope that it isn't TOO different.)

I recommend Murder Miners to the Halo fan, people who didn't really like Halo might like it too but it is orientated off of halo It has intersting gameplay, a charactor editor that gives you space armour that you can colour, A very good zombie mode, zombie BOTS so that you can play singleplayer, it has quite a few people on at one time, (with lots of servers with only one person in them and one server with most of the players on top), A high player limit (higher than Guncraft and Blockstorm, I forget the exact number but it is pretty good for a small game) and it is generally a game you XBOX fans would love, go get it.

Look on the reviews page on the Guncraft store page. You'll see that a lot of those reviews are negative, because of stuff such as the vehicles are OP, for example the tank has lots of HP and can deal 1 hit kills. Even though everyone gets 150 points for custom weapon stats, you can still make your custom weapon better than the default weapons at least. Jagex's Ace of Spades and Blockstorm are both paid games, yet they have a bigger playerbase than you, because those games aren't total failures. Yes both Blockstorm and GUncraft are lacking in players, but the problem is worse in Guncraft. Blockstorm has more players than you think, every time I play it there's always at least 1 decently sized server in TDM and DM, usually there's 2-3 servers with players on both modes each. You'd be lucky to see 2 or more servers on Guncraft with anybody on them. I have 50 Steam friends who play Guncraft, and out of all of those only 1 person has played more than 1 hour in the past 2 weeks.

About Ace of Spades, you have to mod to use mods, because that's why it's called "modding", on Guncraft you still have to go to the Steam Workshop to download a custom gun. Even though both Ace of Spades games have big flaws in gameplay, development wise (and for the classic, cheats), they are still at the better end of all the voxel FPSes (due to the fact that it was the first voxel FPS game, if you don't count Roblox basically inventing that whole game genre, being quite unique in gameplay, and good mod support, and the classic version is free, and supports some interesting server scripts through the PySnip server software such as custom game modes. Have you even played Jagex's Ace of Spades? Doesn't look like so on your Steam profile so don't talk about something you have zero knowledge in.

The vehicles are as OP as Halo vehicles, Battlefield vehicles, and all those other vehicles. If you are smart you can destroy them easily, three grenades is alll it takes. You are arguing that they are OP when realisticly they are UP, it takes five seconds to get the helicopter into the sky, in those five seconds your health has been half taken down. A tank cannot look up, or too far down. therefore, attack from above or below. Easy tech. A hoverbike is easily machinegunned from the other side of the map.

YOU CANNOT MAKE BETTER WEAPONS THAN THE DEFAULTS.
What planet are you on? Planet "ignorant?" Noobs have the default weapons and rek you in five seconds, but pro's make guns that fits their needs, such as accuracy, larger clip size, stuff like that. The defaults also look not nearly as good as a drumset that shoots bullets XD (I made a gun like that recently.)

Guncraft IS NOT A TOTAL FAILURE. You go run away now because You are nothing but a hater. NOTHING. I have steam friends who play guncraft too, and they play it more than any other game, because it isn't a TOTAL FAILURE. oh, and about the Blockstorm matches, they have that many and that is good. but they have about 3-4 at one time, while Guncraft has one with 5-6 players on one server. More players? nice, More servers? nice as well. They have about the same amount of players on a 2 servers as Guncraft has on 1.

Steam workshop is easier than downloading a mod off of a website and going through the games files and stuffing it in there. Unless you have a modloader, that take half the time off. Meanwhile, Steamworkshop takes a few clicks and the guns are in the game the next time you start it up.

I haven't played AOS Jagex. I was told it was crap by you, And several other people. I played classic though, and that is a good game.

Lets look at this like Icecream:
Guncraft is peanutbutter and choc-chips,
and AOS classic is vanilla flavour

one has a more interesting flavour, but some people may not like it and/or are alergic to it. The other is the normal taste, while an easy choice that most people go for it is pretty generic.

Thats why people like me like Guncraft so much, It matches our "taste"
Thats also why people like you like AOS so much, because it is so simple and easy and nice.

Also, last thing, first is not always better. Just because it came out first, may have meant it left things "for dead." such as interesting game changers (hookshots, vehicles, skin makers, etc) Aos is not the king, it is fighting for the rights along with everybody else.

[ohayoubaka]

Almost everything you just said here is BS. There's you running around and an enemy in a tank, sure you could destroy that tank with your grenade but that guy in the tank doesn't have to get up close with you to get a kill, he can shoot rockets at you to kill in 1 hit. Please don't argue that isn't OP. Yes, there is lack of mobility in vehicles, but that really doesn't matter when some vehicles have increased speeds, and have overpowered weapons on them. I made a gun on Guncraft and by looking at the stats, it was better overall than the default weapons I had seen.

The last time I played a match in Blockstorm there was more than 10 players just on that one server. The last time I played a match in Guncraft, it was about 5 players. Seeing as you have both Blockstorm and Guncraft, go on Blockstorm's server list, check out how many players are on the servers of all game modes, then do the same thing in Guncraft. I will guarantee you 100% of the time Blockstorm will have more players.


Also, is it really that hard to download a .zip, and extract the kv6 files into "Program Files\Ace of Spades\kv6"? Or are you seriously that lazy?

Ace of Spades Jagex is not the best game, but it can be fun sometomes, whereas Guncraft is just a mess.


Guncraft was just some guys called Exato thinking by combining 2 popular games, Battlefield 3 and Minecraft that they could come out with something that would sell like hotcakes. They were wrong.

Sometimes the first is better than the rest, because most if not all the rest come along to make terrible rip-offs of the original.

I'm pretty damn sure your anology should be the opposite way round, simply taking 2 games and mashing them together is itself generic. Ace of Spades on the other hand (at least for pre-0.54 classic) had slow-paced, stragetical gameplay, with you being able to dig a massive tunnel underground to the enemy's base to retrive intel, or building a massive fort to defend. Tell me, what other games are like that?

[Redcorpian]

Originally posted by 1Shot1Kill™:

Almost everything you just said here is BS. There's you running around and an enemy in a tank, sure you could destroy that tank with your grenade but that guy in the tank doesn't have to get up close with you to get a kill, he can shoot rockets at you to kill in 1 hit. Please don't argue that isn't OP. Yes, there is lack of mobility in vehicles, but that really doesn't matter when some vehicles have increased speeds, and have overpowered weapons on them. I made a gun on Guncraft and by looking at the stats, it was better overall than the default weapons I had seen.

The last time I played a match in Blockstorm there was more than 10 players just on that one server. The last time I played a match in Guncraft, it was about 5 players. Seeing as you have both Blockstorm and Guncraft, go on Blockstorm's server list, check out how many players are on the servers of all game modes, then do the same thing in Guncraft. I will guarantee you 100% of the time Blockstorm will have more players.


Also, is it really that hard to download a .zip, and extract the kv6 files into "Program Files\Ace of Spades\kv6"? Or are you seriously that lazy?

Ace of Spades Jagex is not the best game, but it can be fun sometomes, whereas Guncraft is just a mess.


Guncraft was just some guys called Exato thinking by combining 2 popular games, Battlefield 3 and Minecraft that they could come out with something that would sell like hotcakes. They were wrong.

Sometimes the first is better than the rest, because most if not all the rest come along to make terrible rip-offs of the original.

I'm pretty damn sure your anology should be the opposite way round, simply taking 2 games and mashing them together is itself generic. Ace of Spades on the other hand (at least for pre-0.54 classic) had slow-paced, stragetical gameplay, with you being able to dig a massive tunnel underground to the enemy's base to retrive intel, or building a massive fort to defend. Tell me, what other games are like that?

LOL stop talking crap. Vehicles are mean't to be better than people. A tank can one hit kill. so can a Sniper, and a shotgun. and if you are smart you will avoid the tank OR hookshot into the air to deal with him from above.

Your default arguement is out of date. Tell me, When was the last time you made a gun in guncraft? It has been said by the devs, the players, and everyone BUT you, that defaults have better stats than customs. But that's where customs are so good = you can make them to your own liking. Such as I have a smg that fires super fast because I want to take down enemies without having to worry about aiming to much.

You cannot guaranetee that Blockstorm will have 100% more players all the time. Now you are talking rubbish. The have different amounts of players on at different times. I think we should both drop this arguement for this one because of the different times that people get on.

I was comparing AOS's mods to the workshop. Nice argument. Compared to Workshop it IS harder. Just saying, it takes longer by comparison.

Guncraft can be fun most of the time. Why is it just a mess? because you said so alright I am going to go with the opinion of one of the most hated AOS players out there. -.-

Guncraft wasn't based off of AOS, Blockstorm was and they have even said so. And they improved it sooo much. Guncraft isn't two different games put together. Where did you get that rubbish from?

Aos however, I was very familiar with it's gameplay. From a Minecraft server. WOW

[ohayoubaka]

Here you blabber on, dismissing all of the facts I have presented as "rubbish". Stop denying that Guncraft has less players than Blockstorm, no matter if I go on both of those games in the morning, in the afternoon or at night there were always much more players on Blockstorm (and sometimes nobody is playing Guncraft at all). True that there are more people at certain times of the day, but that can be said for Guncraft and any other game ever.

Ace of Spades mods not being on the workshop is a non-issue, you're literally just trying to pull out some issues out of your behind here, sure mod support on workshop wouid be nice but it really isn't anything major. If you don't know how to install mods for Ace of Spades, a quick Google search tells you everything you need to know.

And where are you getting this "one of the most hated AOS players" thing from? Probably from the same place you got that workshop "issue" from. Seriously, when your arguements fail, you have to fall back on this BS?

I would very much like a source for that Blockstorm claiming they copied AoS, and are seriously so dumb that you cannot see the similarity of Guncraft compared to Battlefield 3 and Minecraft? For starters, the main guy on Guncraft's artwork is ripped-off from Battlefield 3, the default classes and weapons are ripped-off from Battlefield 3. Do you know that the "mine" part of Minecraft was swapped for "gun" as well, so now it's Guncraft? Block textures are very similar, and some of the maps look like they were ripped-off from the randomly generated Minecraft worlds too.

[Redcorpian]

Originally posted by 1Shot1Kill™:

Here you blabber on, dismissing all of the facts I have presented as "rubbish". Stop denying that Guncraft has less players than Blockstorm, no matter if I go on both of those games in the morning, in the afternoon or at night there were always much more players on Blockstorm (and sometimes nobody is playing Guncraft at all). True that there are more people at certain times of the day, but that can be said for Guncraft and any other game ever.

Ace of Spades mods not being on the workshop is a non-issue, you're literally just trying to pull out some issues out of your behind here, sure mod support on workshop wouid be nice but it really isn't anything major. If you don't know how to install mods for Ace of Spades, a quick Google search tells you everything you need to know.

And where are you getting this "one of the most hated AOS players" thing from? Probably from the same place you got that workshop "issue" from. Seriously, when your arguements fail, you have to fall back on this BS?

I would very much like a source for that Blockstorm claiming they copied AoS, and are seriously so dumb that you cannot see the similarity of Guncraft compared to Battlefield 3 and Minecraft? For starters, the main guy on Guncraft's artwork is ripped-off from Battlefield 3, the default classes and weapons are ripped-off from Battlefield 3. Do you know that the "mine" part of Minecraft was swapped for "gun" as well, so now it's Guncraft? Block textures are very similar, and some of the maps look like they were ripped-off from the randomly generated Minecraft worlds too.

HAHA!
if you had done your research, you would not be in this mess. I go on Blockstorm AND LOOK! no one is online. really smart of you. I go on Guncraft, host a game and VOILA! players. I am sure if I hosted a game in Blockstorm I would get Players too. No-body hosts on either games though.

I am not pulling issues out from a void. I am pulling up the fact that it takes more time, some people have to get win zip and other file rubbish. I am not saying it is an issue, I am just saying that it isn't as good as Guncraft's workshop. Maybe you need to understand that I am not saying it is a problem I am just saying that this is better. Because you keep saying that stuff is worse when it isn't :\

I am pulling this out of a wall? -->"Also, most of us are anti-1Shot as well, please do not allow him to represent us as a whole because most of us hate him." -AfroDude, Build and shoot forums.

Yeah, I can see that it all looks like an utter rip off OH WAIT. No, I cannot. They made a few parody trailers, banners, and stuff like that but you are talking about their marketing skills. The game itself is different to battlefield, Minecraft, and most other game's gameplay. UNIQE UP ON CUSTOMERS. (little joke there, haha. read it out loud :) ) The title for Guncraft was made as a joke over lunch. Sadly it kinda wrecked some of their marketing, because some people say MINNCROFT RIPOFF LOL FAIL. Block Textures are similar? -.- I can totally see how you get confused by this being in a game that has blocks with only one square colour. but Guncraft's textures have some flat textures, like they have an outline and then they are filled in with the colour. It's not like Minecraft's textures, which have about five different pixel colours and they put that in a stone block randomly, and then add things to it, such as black bits for coal ore, blue bits for Diamonds, ETC ETC. Guncraft's textures are way different to that like I said being more cartoonish. Maybe you are talking about the Really old textures that are only still in use so that old maps work.

Maps being ripped off of randomly generated minecraft worlds? Ahem, no. do your research on Guncraft before attacking it, it is about to update very soon, and some of your arguements are about to die.