Bethesda continues to disappoint fans. Don't stand for it!

[Mando]

I made a post here recently about performance, we all know the remaster is definitely a good remaster but the fact it was released in such a terribly optimised state is quite jarring. You don't have to take my word for it, or the thousands and thousands of other people having problems on the recommended and higher specs, but there is a video by DigitalFoundry (video linked at bottom of post) showing how poor the game runs on what is essentially the best money can buy specs on the market.

For some reason we have people leaping to defend Bethesda and Virtuos and saying "Well of course your half a decade old graphics card cant run it" or something along those lines, but we have definitive evidence that is not the case, the facts are that Bethesda and Virtuos have released an un-optimised mess. If you're one of the lucky people who somehow have a blessed rig by Todd and Talos themselves I envy you but that is sadly not the case for a lot of us.

I just hope that as a community of people who all want to enjoy Oblivion, we can make our voices heard and demand better. I was so immensely hyped for this game that even though I subscribe for game pass I bought the Deluxe Edition on Steam because I wanted to own it and support it and right now I regret ever doing that. Bethesda has been basically radio silent for one week while people struggle and all they've done is release a patch for Xbox game pass users that has made the game even worse.

I implore all of you to let your voices be heard, let them know we wont smile as they give us slop, we deserve better, the gaming industry has been and is still on course to just be a slop distributor, whatever takes as much of your time and money as possible.

Don't let them take your money and spit in your/your fellow gamers face.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0rCA1vpgSw&t=328s

[Mando]

*Yes I know Virtuos are the people who developed the remaster, but Bethesda is ultimately the one who allowed it to be released in this sloppy state.

[Flying Penguins]

I mean it runs just fine on console it seems and a ton of people have been able to run it fine on PC as well. Including me. NOW this DOES NOT MEAN the game is without its issues. What a lot of people mean by runs fine is that it is playable and we are used to the bugs or issues and fixing them as we play.

I get newer gamers may not have the know how or patience for this but they can wait for updates and fixes I guess. In the mean time a ton of people are currently enjoying the hell out of the game regardless if you are or not. Or what you may believe.

If you are on PC you should be looking into some of the mods and tips people have given to fix a lot of the performance issues if you are one of the ones having them. Does it fix everyone's issues of course not but a good chunk oh yeah!

Welcome to elder scrolls mate. :)

Not to say that they shouldn't have waited a bit longer before release. As quite a few other games should have as well. Give it a few weeks and so much is going to be out on the mod side, as well as at least a solid patch release. Just wait a bit come on not that hard.

Everyone has the ability to read reviews, look up videos and make a educated decision. No need to try and decide for them :)

[Keeptrucking]

Yeah the stutters seem really bad.

[MrBones]

There's a reason they stealth released this game with no trailers, no gameplay, etc.
DF is on record as saying that this game should not have shipped.

[ebolaconundrum]

I'm defending it merely on the basis I'm not having a performance issue, I am playing it on Ultra and happy with the frame rate I'm getting. I've had no crashes either so why would I complain. Of course if I was unhappy with how it was performing or had lots of crashes I would complain.

I did actually expect performance to be more of an issue given I knew before I bought it that this was a bit of a kludge straddling two very different engines.

I hope they do optimise it more for those having an issue.

But I am aware that it's using lumen lighting ray tracing and path tracing are not computationally inexpensive and always cost performance and whole generations of cards exist that have RTX hardware that always has and always will struggle to give high frame rates when they are actually being used.

I also think maybe I am happy at lower frame rates than some, as I was around when most people considered 32 FPS the frame rate to aim for and if you got 60 really great.

But them hardware overtook the render engines of the day and suddenly we all got 60+ and often 120FPS.

Then real time ray traced lighting and it's more expensive path tracing variation got introduced to engines, making things look much more realistic lighting wise but also having a heavy performance cost even on some cards that had hardware support for it in theory. Now it's back to 32 FPS in some games for mid end hardware and 60 - 80 being good.

[Xcorps]

Originally posted by Mando:

I implore all of you to let your voices be heard,

I'm having a blast. Very happy I bought the deluxe edition.

[SilverWitch]

just crashed so bad that my recording crashed too :(( it was so funny because i was stuck in the air so i started manually recording my lovely view and then i hit the ground eventually, died of course, and then almost immediately after loading the save and trying to loot a goblin it mega crashed.

[minisith]

No crashes for me nor stutters.
Another thread promoting a youtuber.

Good puppet.

[ShadowDark3]

Originally posted by Mando:

For some reason we have people leaping to defend Bethesda

I hope I can shed some light on this for you. It's because the game runs fine for them. I don't doubt that some people are having performance issues, but most people are not, and when someone claims the game is a terrible disappointment to fans, then of course fans who are not disappointed are going to speak up.

[Mightylink]

Disappoint? This is the game I've wanted most since Fallout 4. I haven't enjoyed anything else from Bethesda for almost 10 years and I certainly didn't want Skyrim remastered so many times... for nearly a decade I kept wanting Oblivion remastered instead and they finally did it. I'm enjoying this far more than Starfield or any of their live services and mobile games recently.

[gerechterzorn]

Originally posted by Xcorps:

Originally posted by Mando:

I implore all of you to let your voices be heard,

I'm having a blast. Very happy I bought the deluxe edition.

I agree.

[Princess Luna]

Stop promoting unknown yotubers

[PvWolf666]

I'll never defend a company for a badly optimised game. I will blame a company for laziness.
This the case here.

UE5 is used by new devs because its easy to use and saves time because you can automate lighting and shadows. Even create whole worlds. Because there is nothing baked into the game like shadows and lighting, if you turn off Lumen you will lose a lot of fidelity. Hence why I put up with it.

It is timesaving but it also then means you are dependant on the engine. UE5 is a hog. One of the worst engines I have played on. You need to upscale everything, so your graphics are alreadfy not at their best, then theres fake frames, which again, looks and plays bad.

Nvidia are the worst because the heart of evey gpu going forward is the ai chip. Raster performance may as well not exist now. They promote their cards with lies, saying something is 5 times faster than the previous gen. Yes, with fake frames, up to three now.

So software devs use this to give a new baseline going forward. 60fps with upscaling and fake frames. Hence they don't feel the need to optimise cos Nvidia gave them a get out clause.

[ebolaconundrum]

They haven't disappointed me personally, this game is exactly what I expected when I bought it and I'm perfectly happy with the performance I'm getting and have to date had no crashes, which is better than I could say for the original back in the day.

Of course anyone who is disappointed by it should say so.

I guess my frame rate expectations where lower than many peoples to start with because I knew this game would have to run across to engines and that it made full use of the extremely performance expensive ray traced lighting techniques.

Also I have been gaming for long enough to remember when 32FPS was considered a good and very playable rate for a 3D game to run at and that 60FPS was considered amazing.

Then hardware improved ahead of developers making full use of it and people where suddenly getting 120FPS from their games at very high resolutions.

Then RTX was introduced and other similar technologies that where very computationally expensive and the hardware (supposedly built for it) struggled to be able to perform the lighting calculations at a playable frame rate, Hence using AI to generate false frames to get that frame rate up.

Suddenly people getting 30+ or 60 -80 FPS started going on about how terrible and unacceptable those frame rates where, but they still wanted the fancy dynamic lighting and CGI quality static assets that Engines like UE5 can provide. They just expected them to run with no performance costs at similar frame rates to Half-life 2 on their current or last generation hardware.

I think they can do some tweaks and optimisations and hopefully even out the frame rate a bit. But they cannot "optimise" the game to the sort of FPS you would all like without dropping the lighting quality and it will never run as well as a game only using UE5 could because they have meshed together two fairly similar engines here.

Honestly for me it's working better than I expected, I initially only tried Ultra settings with my 3060 to see what it looked like thinking I'd have to turn things down to get playable frame rates but I haven't so personally I'm good.

[_DarkSol_]

It is crazy how unoptimised the game is.

To go from 20-30fps (on low settings), to a pretty steady 30fps on High across the board after only replacing the engine file with an edited version put up by a guy on Nexus is insane. Stutters from UE5 shenanigans aside...why pump out sometjing so unoptimised for lower end machines like the Steam Deck? Lol