FSR = great, DLSS = not good with 5090 and 14900K

[Rolf]

TL;DR With everything on Ultra at 4K with my 14900K and 5090, DLSS seems bad.
fps goes from ~55 to ~70 maybe in quality mode. Enabling framegen makes the game unplayable due to lag and generally being awful. Same everything on Ultra with FSR in quality mode with framegen on is buttery smooth and locked at 118 fps. Night and day difference in quality and usability. No coincidence the game pass version patch nerfed DLSS?

Less briefly:

I have a i9 and a base model 5090, the gigabyte windforce one. Attempting the "Everything that can be turned to Ultra is turned to Ultra" test gets me just below 60 fps at 4k. I could totally just turn some stuff down, but I decided to give DLSS a try.

Messed around with it for a while, but the benefits seemed to be only a couple dozen fps without turning frame gen on, and with frame gen on, the game became a laggy mess, mouse pointer lagging everywhere, it was unplayable.

FSR on the other hand works great. I can leave everything maxed to Ultra and enable Quality FSR with framegen on auto, and the fps counter cranks and locks at 118 (pretty much stays there) and everything looks great. If I wanted to get really picky I could? I guess like "a dark staff held up on a bright sky moved back and forth as quickly as possible has very slight artifacting on the edge". Sure. But whatever, it runs slick as snot and looks great.

I suspect DLSS might work better on gen 4 or earlier tensor cores. I know these 5th gen cores aren't necessarily 100% backward compatible. In the meanwhile it's FSR for me I guess!

Anyone else have problems with it? I guess I'm not surprised that the more general purpose method works better for a game that will work well on the consoles. Just surprised that there are sliders active in the game that result in such terrible performance.

Oh. Just another note, I'm running the game at 120 fps cap, gsync on, vsync on, and nvidia control panel frame limit set to 118. This works perfectly, and frames are smooth as glass. Just in case that information might be useful for anyone -- point is always reserve 2 fps from max for a little headroom, it prevents stuttering. Eradicates it.

[nowhere man]

I mean, DLSS 4 was made to be best in 5000 series... The thing is it sucks in this game. I'm in 4000 serirs and it sucks, even with overriding the latest DLSS 4 versions to the game. None of them are good. The only way it does run nicely is with DLAA. Even that way, the grass during night flickers and shimmers a lot depending on the lighting.

Honestly, let's face it 4k gaming still has it's degree of bait and scam. It's just not good if you like to play with 120 fps +. The moment you upscaled, you arent in 4k anymore. 2k is where it is still at in my opinion. If I were you, even with a 5090, i'd just stick to a good 27 inch 2k monitor running everything at max refresh rate. With a 5090 you would enjoy max fps on ultra for years, 4k is bait.

[MrSoul]

"gsync on, vsync on,"

gsync is a feature of compatible displays that makes vsync obsolete, disable vsync if you have the proper display, enjoy better latency.

[Rolf]

Originally posted by nowhere man:

I mean, DLSS 4 was made to be best in 5000 series... The thing is it sucks in this game. I'm in 4000 serirs and it sucks, even with overriding the latest DLSS 4 versions to the game. None of them are good. The only way it does run nicely is with DLAA. Even that way, the grass during night flickers and shimmers a lot depending on the lighting.

Honestly, let's face it 4k gaming still has it's degree of bait and scam. It's just not good if you like to play with 120 fps +. The moment you upscaled, you arent in 4k anymore. 2k is where it is still at in my opinion. If I were you, even with a 5090, i'd just stick to a good 27 inch 2k monitor running everything at max refresh rate. With a 5090 you would enjoy max fps on ultra for years, 4k is bait.

You're not wrong and I run my desktop in 2k 2560x1440,

Thing is that my panel is native 4k, running FSR on quality seems to me to be roughly the same as running 1440p natively, so this was just an experiment. Thing is, everything on ultra at 1440p doesn't get you all that many frames either. I'm actually pretty impressed with FSR on quality mode -- you should try it if you haven't. I haven't tried it with my 4070 super but maybe sometime.

Anyway - this should run just fine at 4k with a few things turned down. I literally have everything (but AA, right) turned all the way up and it's pretty much locked at 118 that way, and it looks great!

Oh, and I'm old, I don't want to wear reading glasses to play a game, so I have my PC plugged into my 65" LG C4 OLED and I sit 8 feet from it, It will do up to 10-bit 4k at 144hz, but again I'm pretty sure the panel is actually 120hz, so I would rather just run native. It does support gsync and amd's version also.

[Rolf]

Originally posted by MrSoul:

"gsync on, vsync on,"

gsync is a feature of compatible displays that makes vsync obsolete, disable vsync if you have the proper display, enjoy better latency.

incorrect

if you do that, you'll get tearing or stuttering, depending. For a game like this, you 100% want to do exactly what I said. Try it, you'll thank yourself later

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by MrSoul:

"gsync on, vsync on,"

gsync is a feature of compatible displays that makes vsync obsolete, disable vsync if you have the proper display, enjoy better latency.

gsync replaces the standard vsync. - hence why you have to select gsync in monitor technology and replace fixed refresh rate with it

so turning off vsync would turn the gsync off lol.

[Pronnu]

Originally posted by Rolf:

Originally posted by MrSoul:

"gsync on, vsync on,"

gsync is a feature of compatible displays that makes vsync obsolete, disable vsync if you have the proper display, enjoy better latency.

incorrect

if you do that, you'll get tearing or stuttering, depending. For a game like this, you 100% want to do exactly what I said. Try it, you'll thank yourself later

I never run vsync anymore, man. My screen doesn't tear. VRR is all you need.

[Matt]

5090 + 7800x3d fps capped to 120 never dips below it.

[Sgt. Flaw]

Native res FG is best...DLSS scaling caused issues for me

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by Pronnu:

Originally posted by Rolf:

incorrect

if you do that, you'll get tearing or stuttering, depending. For a game like this, you 100% want to do exactly what I said. Try it, you'll thank yourself later

I never run vsync anymore, man. My screen doesn't tear. VRR is all you need.

that's literally what gsync is.

a variable refresh rate.

in order for it to actually work you need to have vsync on with the monitor tech selected as gsync like op said, turning off vsync when gsync is enabled turns off gsync because that is the version of vsync you are using, i know it's confusing and they should just change "vsync" to just "sync"

also @OP, turn triple buffering on as well if you havent.

[Rolf]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Originally posted by MrSoul:

"gsync on, vsync on,"

gsync is a feature of compatible displays that makes vsync obsolete, disable vsync if you have the proper display, enjoy better latency.

gsync replaces the standard vsync. - hence why you have to select gsync in monitor technology and replace fixed refresh rate with it

so turning off vsync would turn the gsync off lol.

I understand why you think that. Now try it my way. You will understand after you try it.

I know this just makes me old, but my first pci video card was a Riva 128. I've had gsync since ... what 2013 with that 660ti, though I didn't get a monitor until later that year, the asus 2k 144hz one, the first one.

Try what I suggest, see how well it works. You may just be surprised. In fact you almost certainly will be.

[Rolf]

Originally posted by Matt:

5090 + 7800x3d fps capped to 120 never dips below it.

what resolution and quality settings? this is full maxed out everything at 4k, just because. That gets me just under 60. with fsr quality on and framegen I'm locked at 118. PS you should also be locked at 118 not 120 :)

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by Rolf:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

gsync replaces the standard vsync. - hence why you have to select gsync in monitor technology and replace fixed refresh rate with it

so turning off vsync would turn the gsync off lol.

I understand why you think that. Now try it my way. You will understand after you try it.

I know this just makes me old, but my first pci video card was a Riva 128. I've had gsync since ... what 2013 with that 660ti, though I didn't get a monitor until later that year, the asus 2k 144hz one, the first one.

Try what I suggest, see how well it works. You may just be surprised. In fact you almost certainly will be.

im agreeing with you lmao.

the only way i can remove tears on games that only run at 60fps is with gsync on and vsyncs setting set to fast, im talking about the original games and such because i play on a 144hz monitor. - oh and triple buffering too, that's important for monitors divisible by 3 and not 60, as both 60 and 144 are divisible by 3.

like i said: vsync is replaced by gsync as the monitors refresh tech, meaning after setting it to gsync the vsync you will now have in the selection will be gsync only.

it's not standard vsync on top of gsync, you're literally using gsyncs vsync settings.

[Pronnu]

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

Originally posted by Pronnu:

I never run vsync anymore, man. My screen doesn't tear. VRR is all you need.

that's literally what gsync is.

a variable refresh rate.

in order for it to actually work you need to have vsync on with the monitor tech selected as gsync like op said, turning off vsync when gsync is enabled turns off gsync because that is the version of vsync you are using, i know it's confusing and they should just change "vsync" to just "sync"

also @OP, turn triple buffering on as well if you havent.

I use the vastly superior Freesync and am free of all these petty issues.

[nowhere man]

Originally posted by Rolf:

Originally posted by nowhere man:

I mean, DLSS 4 was made to be best in 5000 series... The thing is it sucks in this game. I'm in 4000 serirs and it sucks, even with overriding the latest DLSS 4 versions to the game. None of them are good. The only way it does run nicely is with DLAA. Even that way, the grass during night flickers and shimmers a lot depending on the lighting.

Honestly, let's face it 4k gaming still has it's degree of bait and scam. It's just not good if you like to play with 120 fps +. The moment you upscaled, you arent in 4k anymore. 2k is where it is still at in my opinion. If I were you, even with a 5090, i'd just stick to a good 27 inch 2k monitor running everything at max refresh rate. With a 5090 you would enjoy max fps on ultra for years, 4k is bait.

You're not wrong and I run my desktop in 2k 2560x1440,

Thing is that my panel is native 4k, running FSR on quality seems to me to be roughly the same as running 1440p natively, so this was just an experiment. Thing is, everything on ultra at 1440p doesn't get you all that many frames either. I'm actually pretty impressed with FSR on quality mode -- you should try it if you haven't. I haven't tried it with my 4070 super but maybe sometime.

Anyway - this should run just fine at 4k with a few things turned down. I literally have everything (but AA, right) turned all the way up and it's pretty much locked at 118 that way, and it looks great!

Oh, and I'm old, I don't want to wear reading glasses to play a game, so I have my PC plugged into my 65" LG C4 OLED and I sit 8 feet from it, It will do up to 10-bit 4k at 144hz, but again I'm pretty sure the panel is actually 120hz, so I would rather just run native. It does support gsync and amd's version also.

I tried with FSR, it's not as good as DLAA performance wise, but the image quality it gets in native is impecable, but for performance, not good. The thing is, the 5090 has a ton of extra power to brute force this lack of optimization from FSR. Now, a new amd card like 9070xt with FSR in this game might run like a dream, with superior image quality to any nvidia, and for sure with better performance any nvidia gets with FSR,

[Shaken_Widow]

Originally posted by Pronnu:

Originally posted by Shaken_Widow:

that's literally what gsync is.

a variable refresh rate.

in order for it to actually work you need to have vsync on with the monitor tech selected as gsync like op said, turning off vsync when gsync is enabled turns off gsync because that is the version of vsync you are using, i know it's confusing and they should just change "vsync" to just "sync"

also @OP, turn triple buffering on as well if you havent.

I use the vastly superior Freesync and am free of all these petty issues. :B1:

uh... idk who told you freesync was better but it just isn't lmao.

freesync is like the open source version of gsync for those who couldn't afford a gsync monitor lol