Pricing out the common customer.

[Mando]

I've seen a lot of talk about how bad the performance of the game is, I have dealt with this first hand and ive crashed probably close to 30 times at this stage and continue to get stutters in outdoor areas and areas of high traffic of npcs/foliage.

You expect some jank with a Bethesda game, but this isn't just jank, its unplayable for a lot of people, I expect them to release patches for this soon but until then we have to wait.

The main thing I want to say is with every person who has a good pc/specs and they make a post complaining about the performance, you'll find comments underneath saying "you shouldn't expect to run this game on a 3070, quit complaining" or "of course you cant run this game if you don't have a 4090, its a new game". But can we all just take a step back and realise that this is a 20 year old game being remastered? In what world have we all become so protective of Bethesda that we think its okay for a game to come out that 70-80% of people cant play without running into serious issues? Especially on specs that have no problem running other games on Ultra settings without stutters.

We deserve better, to those saying you shouldn't be complaining about performance if you don't have the latest specs, its you who should realise how unfortunate it is that you can only run the game because you have the latest specs. Lets stop defending Bethesda for what is clearly a really poorly performing remaster just because we are swayed by nostalgia. The trailer they show is impossible for the common customer to experience, I would say its borderline false advertising.

Support game companies that deserve your money, support fellow gamers that deserve games to be sold to them in a playable condition and honestly advertised.

EDIT: Typo's

[smoketrees]

I'm on a 2070 Super build from 6 years ago and it runs 'fine'. I've crashed 3 times in 31 hours and have also added mods which is always risky on early builds.

This isn't me defending it but it's also noway near as bad as some are suggesting.

[(J)]

I don't think it being a 20 year old remaster is reason for it not to push boundaries with its fidelity.

Additionally the original release was hell on PCs of that time as well. I couldn't run it on max settings, because a PC that could during that time would be 2k-3k.

[Cryptic]

$60 isn't exactly pricing out the "common" customer.

commonly, people have jobs...

[Mando]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

$60 isn't exactly pricing out the "common" customer.

commonly, people have jobs...

When I say pricing out the common customer I mean that to play the game in a functioning state you need to have a top end rig, which is in my opinion, pricing out the common customer.

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by Mando:

Originally posted by Cryptic:

$60 isn't exactly pricing out the "common" customer.

commonly, people have jobs...

When I say pricing out the common customer I mean that to play the game in a functioning state you need to have a top end rig, which is in my opinion, pricing out the common customer.

It's on ue5. Welcome to 2025.

[*ੈ✩‧₊˚༺☆Prinny☆]

Originally posted by Mando:

I've seen a lot of talk about how bad the performance of the game is, I have dealt with this first hand and ive crashed probably close to 30 times at this stage and continue to get stutters in outdoor areas and areas of high traffic of npcs/foliage.

You expect some jank with a Bethesda game, but this isn't just jank, its unplayable for a lot of people, I expect them to release patches for this soon but until then we have to wait.

The main thing I want to say is with every person who has a good pc/specs and they make a post complaining about the performance, you'll find comments underneath saying "you shouldn't expect to run this game on a 3070, quit complaining" or "of course you cant run this game if you don't have a 4090, its a new game". But can we all just take a step back and realise that this is a 20 year old game being remastered? In what world have we all become so protective of Bethesda that we think its okay for a game to come out that 70-80% of people cant play without running into serious issues? Especially on specs that have no problem running other games on Ultra settings without stutters.

We deserve better, to those saying you shouldn't be complaining about performance if you don't have the latest specs, its you who should realise how unfortunate it is that you can only run the game because you have the latest specs. Lets stop defending Bethesda for what is clearly a really poorly performing remaster just because we are swayed by nostalgia. The trailer they show is impossible for the common customer to experience, I would say its borderline false advertising.

Support game companies that deserve your money, support fellow gamers that deserve games to be sold to them in a playable condition and honestly advertised.

EDIT: Typo's

They're recreating the experience of trying to run the game when it first released.
Before "Can it run Crysis?" was "Can it run Oblivion?"

[PocketYoda]

I'm on an 8 year old Core i5 7500 with 8 year old ram 32gb and an 8 year old motherboard.. The only new part is my rx 6700xt which is 3 years or so old now..

My game runs at 50-80 fps without upscaling on mostly high and i've not had a single crash..

[Khaziir Everflight]

Originally posted by (J):

I don't think it being a 20 year old remaster is reason for it not to push boundaries with its fidelity.

Additionally the original release was hell on PCs of that time as well. I couldn't run it on max settings, because a PC that could during that time would be 2k-3k.

I have a rtx 4070, and without DLSS (both upscaling and framegen), at high to ultra settings without hardware RT (1440p), which i can run perfectly at 70-90+ fps in pretty much every other game i own, including other UE5 games (even VR ones, where i generally get 80-90 despite VR costing more performacne already compared to an otherwise identical non-VR game), I only barely get to 50 fps when exiting the sewer in the start of the game. This has nothing to do with fidelity, and everything with piss-poor optimization.

[-={LG}=-]

I'm running a heavily modded version of original Oblivion that I've had on my machine for 20 years. I think I paid fifty cents in current dollars for it. Didn't see any reason to plunk down fifty fricking dollars for some terrible modern "remake."

I put that fifty into my gas tank for another month of driving.

[Mando]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Originally posted by Mando:

When I say pricing out the common customer I mean that to play the game in a functioning state you need to have a top end rig, which is in my opinion, pricing out the common customer.

It's on ue5. Welcome to 2025.

This is part of the problem, we need to stop acting like this is the new normal, we deserve better as consumers, you should be upset that fellow fans are having trouble, so many of them, dont just shrug it off and say "what do you expect"
We need to stand up to bad business methods as consumers if we want to consume better content.

[maestro]

Originally posted by Mando:

I've seen a lot of talk about how bad the performance of the game is, I have dealt with this first hand and ive crashed probably close to 30 times at this stage and continue to get stutters in outdoor areas and areas of high traffic of npcs/foliage.

You expect some jank with a Bethesda game, but this isn't just jank, its unplayable for a lot of people, I expect them to release patches for this soon but until then we have to wait.

The main thing I want to say is with every person who has a good pc/specs and they make a post complaining about the performance, you'll find comments underneath saying "you shouldn't expect to run this game on a 3070, quit complaining" or "of course you cant run this game if you don't have a 4090, its a new game". But can we all just take a step back and realise that this is a 20 year old game being remastered? In what world have we all become so protective of Bethesda that we think its okay for a game to come out that 70-80% of people cant play without running into serious issues? Especially on specs that have no problem running other games on Ultra settings without stutters.

We deserve better, to those saying you shouldn't be complaining about performance if you don't have the latest specs, its you who should realise how unfortunate it is that you can only run the game because you have the latest specs. Lets stop defending Bethesda for what is clearly a really poorly performing remaster just because we are swayed by nostalgia. The trailer they show is impossible for the common customer to experience, I would say its borderline false advertising.

Support game companies that deserve your money, support fellow gamers that deserve games to be sold to them in a playable condition and honestly advertised.

EDIT: Typo's

Most of the "unplayable" complaints are a PEBKAC problem.

They are either...

1). Running too much crap in the background,
2). Attempting to play with below minimum or recommended specs,
3). Trying to set all the settings to max,
4). Need to update their drivers,
5). Are running a crappy prebuilt from Dell or Walmart or something.

[CronDon93]

One thing I did to help the game run better is cap the frame rate to 60 and lower the resolution to 1920x1080. Runs like a dream with the occasional polygons on loading into the open world, and even with that I just let it sit for like 2 seconds and it finishes loading the textures. Hope this helps.

[Khaziir Everflight]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Originally posted by Mando:

When I say pricing out the common customer I mean that to play the game in a functioning state you need to have a top end rig, which is in my opinion, pricing out the common customer.

It's on ue5. Welcome to 2025.

This complacency is partly to blame for the enshitification of gaming as a whole.

[smoketrees]

Originally posted by Mando:

Originally posted by Cryptic:

It's on ue5. Welcome to 2025.

This is part of the problem, we need to stop acting like this is the new normal, we deserve better as consumers, you should be upset that fellow fans are having trouble, so many of them, dont just shrug it off and say "what do you expect"
We need to stand up to bad business methods as consumers if we want to consume better content.

I wish there was more variety in engines but I think It's futile at this point. With more big studios switching to it (CDPR for example) it'll have even more gravity. I could see it becoming even more of an industry norm as time goes on.

People love this game, people love Clair Obscur, people love Wukong, People love Fortnite. Most people don't care about the difference between 40 and 60 frames.

[Jaoman]

$20 cheaper than other games on the market isn't pricing out people