Oblivion Vs Skyrim

[Clobby]

I'm about 5 hours into my first play through and while I am enjoying the game so far I never realized how much i enjoyed so many of the systems in skyrim mainly just crafting your armors and weapons it felt more satisfying to create and upgrade your own gear over just buying and finding better stuff. I get its an older game and I should not compare the two that much as to not ruin my experience. Also is the magic system in oblivion just a lot simpler or have I not really scratched the surface past the beginning of the game?

[Coffee Addict]

Originally posted by Clobby:

Also is the magic system in oblivion just a lot simpler or have I not really scratched the surface past the beginning of the game?

in skyrim theres only a limited number of spells and you can buy pretty much all of them from vendors, in oblivion theres about 40 times as many spells you can buy from vendors and theres also a spell making system which can be used to create broken OP magic

[Damon]

I personally rather not rate one Elder Scrolls game as the best. They were made to be unique such as Oblivion impossibly is Skyrim 2, it's just Oblivion. Likewise Daggerfall Unity is extremely unique game. The only resemblance they have is the lore and minor stuff.

So I appreciate playing all Elder Scrolls like a new game and thankful if they keep release more good Elder Scrolls games.

[Damon]

Magic in this game is no doubt more advanced than Skyrim. Spells is actually viable endgame and extremely powerful. You can be creative with spellmaking (make your custom spell) which Skyrim sadly does not have, it's a lot simpler game.

[Nitemares]

Well, That is what happens in the what, 6 years, between releases?

Bethesda took what worked from Oblivion and kept it, while changing the systems that "didn't Work".

"Smithing" goes from "use a repair hammer to repair you gear" to "Make your own armour and weapons!"...

And While I am not that far into the game either, I do remember the magic system in Oblivion being much better then Skyrim overall... (unless I am misremembering, which possible)... You just have to slog through the beginning of the mage's guild...

But it is harder to make a good mage right out of the gate in Oblivion than it is in Skyrim.

[jespelibur]

The magic system in Oblivion is much deeper than in Skyrim because it allows you to create your own spells and has a lot more available spell effects than Skyrim. It allows you to get quite creative, even though Oblivion is nowhere near the insanity of Morrowind in this regard.

[Autoro]

Originally posted by Nitemares:

And While I am not that far into the game either, I do remember the magic system in Oblivion being much better then Skyrim overall... (unless I am misremembering, which possible)... You just have to slog through the beginning of the mage's guild...

Or 4k gold for magetallow candles, and the Frostcrag Spire enchantment/spellcrafting stands. Depending on the player, it might be more doable.

In regards to the other points, I'd argue spell-slinging is easily the weakest gameplay style in Skyrim, while in Oblivion it is easily one of the stronger playstyles, mostly because your spells actually have some oomph behind them, and you can create your own when the magnitude of your spells is tickling the enemy rather than actually damaging them... Not to mention you can put magic into any build in Oblivion because casting is its own button, independent of what weapons or shields you're holding, while in Skyrim your spells aren't so much spells as they are fancy weapons, when it comes to them being equipped.

[Nitemares]

Originally posted by Autoro:

Originally posted by Nitemares:

And While I am not that far into the game either, I do remember the magic system in Oblivion being much better then Skyrim overall... (unless I am misremembering, which possible)... You just have to slog through the beginning of the mage's guild...

Or 4k gold for magetallow candles, and the Frostcrag Spire enchantment/spellcrafting stands. Depending on the player, it might be more doable.

In regards to the other points, I'd argue spell-slinging is easily the weakest gameplay style in Skyrim, while in Oblivion it is easily one of the stronger playstyles, mostly because your spells actually have some oomph behind them, and you can create your own when the magnitude of your spells is tickling the enemy rather than actually damaging them... Not to mention you can put magic into any build in Oblivion because casting is its own button, independent of what weapons or shields you're holding, while in Skyrim your spells aren't so much spells as they are fancy weapons, when it comes to them being equipped.

Yea, I have to admit I like the third button casting too...
Forgot all about it until I played the remaster... and now I am wishing they had done the same in Skyrim as well...

[Lucidess]

If you wanna tell me buying a dozen useless spells is more interesting than having one good spell that kicks ass is better than i'm gonna be that modern audience guy and say, Skyrim did magic better, full stop. Don't get me wrong, i love customisation in spells, but the burn was already felt years ago from morrowind -> oblivion when levitation magic was "banned" lol. Understandable, but still, Magic is fun when the spells are simple and effective and can be chained into other things.

Not to mention, the dragon shouts are unique spells that are great in their own way. Skyrim really did go hard, as much as i hate to admit it.

[Clobby]

Originally posted by Coffee Addict:

Originally posted by Clobby:

Also is the magic system in oblivion just a lot simpler or have I not really scratched the surface past the beginning of the game?

in skyrim theres only a limited number of spells and you can buy pretty much all of them from vendors, in oblivion theres about 40 times as many spells you can buy from vendors and theres also a spell making system which can be used to create broken OP magic

YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN SPELLS THATS DOPE AS ♥♥♥♥

[Clobby]

Originally posted by Autoro:

Originally posted by Nitemares:

And While I am not that far into the game either, I do remember the magic system in Oblivion being much better then Skyrim overall... (unless I am misremembering, which possible)... You just have to slog through the beginning of the mage's guild...

Or 4k gold for magetallow candles, and the Frostcrag Spire enchantment/spellcrafting stands. Depending on the player, it might be more doable.

In regards to the other points, I'd argue spell-slinging is easily the weakest gameplay style in Skyrim, while in Oblivion it is easily one of the stronger playstyles, mostly because your spells actually have some oomph behind them, and you can create your own when the magnitude of your spells is tickling the enemy rather than actually damaging them... Not to mention you can put magic into any build in Oblivion because casting is its own button, independent of what weapons or shields you're holding, while in Skyrim your spells aren't so much spells as they are fancy weapons, when it comes to them being equipped.

i Have noticed that. It is a bit jarring going from the playstyle of skyrim to this one but being able to use melee along with spells as like a secondary thing instead of having to equip my spells and then run out of magic and then switch to melee is a lot smoother.

[Clobby]

Originally posted by jespelibur:

The magic system in Oblivion is much deeper than in Skyrim because it allows you to create your own spells and has a lot more available spell effects than Skyrim. It allows you to get quite creative, even though Oblivion is nowhere near the insanity of Morrowind in this regard.

Yeah i had no idea you could make spells thats cool as ♥♥♥♥.

[Damon]

Originally posted by Clobby:

Originally posted by jespelibur:

The magic system in Oblivion is much deeper than in Skyrim because it allows you to create your own spells and has a lot more available spell effects than Skyrim. It allows you to get quite creative, even though Oblivion is nowhere near the insanity of Morrowind in this regard.

Yeah i had no idea you could make spells thats cool as ♥♥♥♥.

You can make super weird spell. Imagine those many spells that you can put in one custom spell.

[Grooblious Boozler]

It's even better than that, as when you buy new spells you gain the effects for your own spellmaking, such as disintegrate weapon/armor and drain skills/attributes.

So you could make a spell that A) damages your own weapon and armor, B) drains your armorer skill for a couple seconds. And then immediately after casting it, go into your inventory and repair all your stuff for increased Armorer XP.

When your skills are lowered, you're still able to use whatever perks you've already unlocked (i.e. repairing enchanted items, or casting higher-level spells), and you gain that skill XP as if you were actually at that lowered level.

[Grooblious Boozler]

Originally posted by Damon:

Originally posted by Clobby:

Yeah i had no idea you could make spells thats cool as ♥♥♥♥.

You can make super weird spell. Imagine those many spells that you can put in one custom spell.

I made a full suit of Bound Armor, plus Shield and Mace all for 60 seconds in one spell. It's pretty fun.

[Shahadem]

Originally posted by Nitemares:

Well, That is what happens in the what, 6 years, between releases?

Bethesda took what worked from Oblivion and kept it, while changing the systems that "didn't Work".

"Smithing" goes from "use a repair hammer to repair you gear" to "Make your own armour and weapons!"...

And While I am not that far into the game either, I do remember the magic system in Oblivion being much better then Skyrim overall... (unless I am misremembering, which possible)... You just have to slog through the beginning of the mage's guild...

But it is harder to make a good mage right out of the gate in Oblivion than it is in Skyrim.

Nothing worked from Oblivion. They should have scrapped the whole system.

The whole magic system isn't really that different in the end results from Skyrim. Oblivion's system does not really do anything differently. You are just tricking yourself into thinking its different when its not. The end result of everything Oblivion does is also achievable in Skyrim.