Solution To Body Type Situation

[Sir Valentine]

There is a mod, on mod db that reverses the change.

The game is an overall improvement to the original and while annoying, mod support does exist.

Which in my opinion, your free to do what ever modifications to your copy of the game in the privacy of your own game time.

And mod repos should solely be focused on hosting these mods and everyone can be happy and live and let live.

This is slowly not becoming the world we live in because someone decided somewhere they want to dictate what values you can see and enjoy. No longer is this art, this is a media peace that enforces views.

It's why you can find the mod on Mod DB and not the Nexus. Nexus feels a need to go above and beyond and protect gamers from themselves even though the original had male and female, because to undo a body type slider in their eyes does not protect those who require this feature.

Let me say that again. They want to stop you from enjoying your own personal experience because they feel it is a significant attack on another experience. But only certain type of people experiences. It is insulting, bad face, and a problem gamers have to navigate for the foreseeable future as values change and media is no longer used for enjoyment or escapism.

I'm not a big fan of this activism, I am a big fan of games, stories, entertainment, and characters. I love elden ring, baulders gate and you can entirely change your characters in those games. Oblivion is also a pretty good game, you may not of had the flexibility or the gender neutrality body types in 2006, but I am willing to bet it did not matter as much as Nexus believes it does, or how mission critical Bethesda now think it does. This remaster does a great service and is pretty enjoyable. And while the feedback taken on this issue since starfield has not been addressed, many other quality of life and good faith changes have been made.

So good on them. And good on us that despite how annoying the 1% is 99% is pretty enjoyable and that's more than what I can say about many other modern iterations of games of this genre as of late.

This isn't a woke game, this is a remaster of a beloved title leveraging new technologies and improvements to the modern day. And if there is something that does upset, god bless all of us that we have the ability and liberty to mod and change it without being dehumanized or called bigots on decisive issues that even the most progressive nations struggle with.

[Nyandola ⩌⩊⩌]

Boo! I'm a job application! Boo!

[^;..;^ | ViralOmega]

When you are so far-right a mere word change triggers you despite the options all being the same as the original

[Sir Valentine]

Originally posted by ^..^ | ViralOmega:

When you are so far-right a mere word change triggers you despite the options all being the same as the original

again, my post speaks that is really isn't, the game is great, it is just a little annoying, but the game itself has seen great improvements, I just believe that people should be able to mod it out and what they want in and not be labeled as far right or left and just treated as gamers with preference and different tastes, just bring back humanity taken away in these discussions in good faith.

[Crystal Sharrd]

Originally posted by Sir Valentine:

There is a mod, on mod db that reverses the change.

The game is an overall improvement to the original and while annoying, mod support does exist.

Which in my opinion, your free to do what ever modifications to your copy of the game in the privacy of your own game time.

And mod repos should solely be focused on hosting these mods and everyone can be happy and live and let live.

This is slowly not becoming the world we live in because someone decided somewhere they want to dictate what values you can see and enjoy. No longer is this art, this is a media peace that enforces views.

It's why you can find the mod on Mod DB and not the Nexus. Nexus feels a need to go above and beyond and protect gamers from themselves even though the original had male and female, because to undo a body type slider in their eyes does not protect those who require this feature.

Let me say that again. They want to stop you from enjoying your own personal experience because they feel it is a significant attack on another experience. But only certain type of people experiences. It is insulting, bad face, and a problem gamers have to navigate for the foreseeable future as values change and media is no longer used for enjoyment or escapism.

I'm not a big fan of this activism, I am a big fan of games, stories, entertainment, and characters. I love elden ring, baulders gate and you can entirely change your characters in those games. Oblivion is also a pretty good game, you may not of had the flexibility or the gender neutrality body types in 2006, but I am willing to bet it did not matter as much as Nexus believes it does, or how mission critical Bethesda now think it does. This remaster does a great service and is pretty enjoyable. And while the feedback taken on this issue since starfield has not been addressed, many other quality of life and good faith changes have been made.

So good on them. And good on us that despite how annoying the 1% is 99% is pretty enjoyable and that's more than what I can say about many other modern iterations of games of this genre as of late.

This isn't a woke game, this is a remaster of a beloved title leveraging new technologies and improvements to the modern day. And if there is something that does upset, god bless all of us that we have the ability and liberty to mod and change it without being dehumanized or called bigots on decisive issues that even the most progressive nations struggle with.

Actually, Nexus Mods banned the author for admitting the mod was made to be hateful. They make all their ban reasons public. The mod would have been allowed to stay up if they hadn't.

[TcT Goth98]

Originally posted by ^..^ | ViralOmega:

When you are so far-right a mere word change triggers you despite the options all being the same as the original

When you are so far-left the words male and female triggers you.

[Odie]

Here's another option ...

1. Go to "DEG Mods" site
2. Download the mod that changes "1/2" to "female/male"
3. Done. No Nexus needed.

[(J)]

These rules have been in place on Nexus for years. This is not new. I am happy they have kept it the way it is. There is zero reason for them to change stance. Their platform has continued to grow.

[Nikonos]

Best solution is to save yourself some money.

[Sir Valentine]

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

Originally posted by Sir Valentine:

There is a mod, on mod db that reverses the change.

The game is an overall improvement to the original and while annoying, mod support does exist.

Which in my opinion, your free to do what ever modifications to your copy of the game in the privacy of your own game time.

And mod repos should solely be focused on hosting these mods and everyone can be happy and live and let live.

This is slowly not becoming the world we live in because someone decided somewhere they want to dictate what values you can see and enjoy. No longer is this art, this is a media peace that enforces views.

It's why you can find the mod on Mod DB and not the Nexus. Nexus feels a need to go above and beyond and protect gamers from themselves even though the original had male and female, because to undo a body type slider in their eyes does not protect those who require this feature.

Let me say that again. They want to stop you from enjoying your own personal experience because they feel it is a significant attack on another experience. But only certain type of people experiences. It is insulting, bad face, and a problem gamers have to navigate for the foreseeable future as values change and media is no longer used for enjoyment or escapism.

I'm not a big fan of this activism, I am a big fan of games, stories, entertainment, and characters. I love elden ring, baulders gate and you can entirely change your characters in those games. Oblivion is also a pretty good game, you may not of had the flexibility or the gender neutrality body types in 2006, but I am willing to bet it did not matter as much as Nexus believes it does, or how mission critical Bethesda now think it does. This remaster does a great service and is pretty enjoyable. And while the feedback taken on this issue since starfield has not been addressed, many other quality of life and good faith changes have been made.

So good on them. And good on us that despite how annoying the 1% is 99% is pretty enjoyable and that's more than what I can say about many other modern iterations of games of this genre as of late.

This isn't a woke game, this is a remaster of a beloved title leveraging new technologies and improvements to the modern day. And if there is something that does upset, god bless all of us that we have the ability and liberty to mod and change it without being dehumanized or called bigots on decisive issues that even the most progressive nations struggle with.

Actually, Nexus Mods banned the author for admitting the mod was made to be hateful. They make all their ban reasons public. The mod would have been allowed to stay up if they hadn't.

If so I didn't see this post or evidence on the mod db, if so this is very weird and goes against what I said. I also don't believe that the act of changing preferences or beliefs of the choice of genders/sexes is a hateful act.

I just don't believe that a 2006 copy of the original is an offense so much so, for this one aspect that a remake of it and changing that one detail makes it a night and day difference.

It really puts this weird take on things. Also I have experienced things were peoples intent never matched with the weight of their actions, and I seen these things misconstrued as hateful or bigoted when in a much more honest and fair lit conversation it really isn't as offensive. I tend to give the benefit of a doubt towards these things, so in spirit of that I will personally look into this and thank you for providing me something that I potentially didn't know and find for myself.

[Sir Valentine]

Originally posted by Odie:

Here's another option ...

1. Go to "DEG Mods" site
2. Download the mod that changes "1/2" to "female/male"
3. Done. No Nexus needed.

Hey just wanted to glow this post, there is beauty in the conciseness of this.

[Crystal Sharrd]

Originally posted by Sir Valentine:

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

Actually, Nexus Mods banned the author for admitting the mod was made to be hateful. They make all their ban reasons public. The mod would have been allowed to stay up if they hadn't.

If so I didn't see this post or evidence on the mod db, if so this is very weird and goes against what I said. I also don't believe that the act of changing preferences or beliefs of the choice of genders/sexes is a hateful act.

I just don't believe that a 2006 copy of the original is an offense so much so, for this one aspect that a remake of it and changing that one detail makes it a night and day difference.

It really puts this weird take on things. Also I have experienced things were peoples intent never matched with the weight of their actions, and I seen these things misconstrued as hateful or bigoted when in a much more honest and fair lit conversation it really isn't as offensive. I tend to give the benefit of a doubt towards these things, so in spirit of that I will personally look into this and thank you for providing me something that I potentially didn't know and find for myself.

They posted the reasoning here: https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/13513424-ultraporing-banned/#comment-130504786

[Odie]

Originally posted by Sir Valentine:

Originally posted by Odie:

Here's another option ...

1. Go to "DEG Mods" site
2. Download the mod that changes "1/2" to "female/male"
3. Done. No Nexus needed.

Hey just wanted to glow this post, there is beauty in the conciseness of this.

Thanks! Be sure to check the instructions, as the file may need to be renamed first to make it work.

[Sir Valentine]

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

Originally posted by Sir Valentine:

If so I didn't see this post or evidence on the mod db, if so this is very weird and goes against what I said. I also don't believe that the act of changing preferences or beliefs of the choice of genders/sexes is a hateful act.

I just don't believe that a 2006 copy of the original is an offense so much so, for this one aspect that a remake of it and changing that one detail makes it a night and day difference.

It really puts this weird take on things. Also I have experienced things were peoples intent never matched with the weight of their actions, and I seen these things misconstrued as hateful or bigoted when in a much more honest and fair lit conversation it really isn't as offensive. I tend to give the benefit of a doubt towards these things, so in spirit of that I will personally look into this and thank you for providing me something that I potentially didn't know and find for myself.

They posted the reasoning here: https://forums.nexusmods.com/topic/13513424-ultraporing-banned/#comment-130504786

The following is an excerpt of what the staff wrote and provided


Account Banned - Ultraporing

"Ultraporing has been banned from Nexus Mods for violating our community rules.
Reason
Posting an intentionally-antagonistic mod with intention to evade the rules. The mod altered the "body types" in the Oblivion Remake from "1" and "2" to "male" and "female." While the modification itself is not inherently a problem, the intention of the author is the problem. When a user reported that they had archived the mod on a website dedicated to archiving TOS-breaking content on Nexus Mods and other modding websites with a particular focus on bigotry, the author replied: "Awesome, thanks for picking up on my intentions o7" From our File Submission Guidelines: "Files that remove gender identity including pronouns from a game that have been intentionally put in place by a game developer, when the removal is clearly to be divisive or cause hostility within the community or marginalise specific group(s)."
Reference

Below are links to where the infractions took place (where relevant). Some links may point to hidden, deleted or restricted content that can only be accessed by moderators.

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivionremastered/mods/84 (upon clicking the entire log was purged)

Moderation History

Banned by BellCube. This member received 0 formal warnings before they were banned."

This is a "he said, she said" type argument but the response is a bit of a self report and supports what I was saying about the mod not being an issue. Instead its a matter of intent, and that is incredibly difficult to justify especially when evidence referenced is purged and the member received 0 warnings before this.

Which if it is a first offense is still a bit extreme. The quote of "Awesome, thanks for picking up on my intentions o7" which seems like a very edgy snippet lacks alot of other context and iterations leading up to the response which if worded politely, "awesome, I guess I'm what ever you say I am" a statement used previously by people accused of corrupting the youth by being explicit or edgy in media of art.

This is my personal thoughts, I think alot of context is missing or been purged to form a fair confusion, I believe it is harder to prove intention part why because the actions themselves is truly not reflective of what they say they are. I also don't believe or expect everyone to be well worded on the internet. Especially under pressure of a very passionate topic, as you seen in this very thread the explicitness/edgyness shared, no offense is taken, but it happens.

I want to thank you for sharing this, and while this does give some clarity, I don't believe this does enough, especially with previous removal of mods in this nature for other games like say starfield.

[Ultraporing]

Hi the Author you are talking about here. Here is my X post, posting screenshots of what I wrote.

Sadly I wasn't able to grab a screenshot after I answered the person in the comments to prove to whom I spoke, or rather give you an idea about the context. Since a lack of evidence proves and disproves nothing, and can only ask to "trust me bro" (your choice I understand both).

The target of my reply was the Posts Original creator and was at least in my mind referring to him picking up on the intention to turn the mod into a open source project were all can work together. And also set the permissions of it accordingly, by allowing everything with exception of selling it, if I would be credited. Which seems fair to me.
But maybe I naively believed people would behave on Nexus like on GitHub .

This is a bit of context for you, and my intent behind my Reply. Thankfully the Waybackmachine at least cached the Modepage shortly after being published. Also proving that I released the First version of it on Nexus before some others took it and ran with it.
I only spoke of it because I read some factually wrong posts and articles, while some mod authors claim they did it all by them self and were the first. Just wanted to get the facts straight.

But at least now you got some evidence and more than just speculation :).

Waybackmachine Link to the Modpage: https://web.archive.org/web/20250423000957/https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivionremastered/mods/84
Tweet with the images: https://x.com/Ultraporing/status/1915094538630164566

[Jaeus]

I mean we know from pre-x twitter, current reddit, and plenty of other online spaces that they will lie and make any excuse they need to, if they even bother to provide an excuse, to unilaterally ban anyone and anything that doesn't rigidly conform to their demands and their fetishes.
Everything that doesn't conform to their demands is "bigotry", no matter how belligerent and offensive their own behavior is. And once they affix that label to someone, all actions against that person become justified. You'd almost think that sounds exactly like actual bigotry and discrimination, mostly because it is.

So it frankly doesn't matter if they had "a reason" because the stated reason is irrelevant. If the same author made a mod for Skyrim changing Male and Female to Body Type 1 and 2, the mod and author would go untouched.