Read that EULA Carefully people [UPDATE]

[Skirnir]

Unlike the first time around

This time you don't "own" your copy of Oblivion. Zenimax does.
Refund requested.
If you're sticking around and playing, then I hope you enjoy the game as much as I wanted to.
I'll be setting sail for Nassau.
"Drink up, me hearties, yo-ho"

***Update:***
Discovered something else interesting.
APPARENTLY the game also includes a bunch of Telemetry/Consumer-Experience Data collection in it designed to send the following information to Zenimax:
- Experience-gain
- NPC Interactions
- PC Hardware Specs
- Level-up
- Death Information
- Performance
- Settings/Engine.ini configuration
(These are just the 'confirmed' ones, but i'm sure there's more.)
Why there needs to be telemetry/data-gathering in a SINGLE-PLAYER GAME .. I have no idea. The more concerning part about it is that it's buried in the EULA as well under the "communications in-game will be sent through Zenimax Servers" - portion.
Well, at least all of you 'NSFW'-mod users out there will know you won't really be alone in-game.. (and I don't know what part of that is creepier..)

For anyone who's still dead-set on playing, here's a link to a mod that SHOULD (in-theory anyway) disable that pesky snooping that Zenimax is doing.

https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivionremastered/mods/688


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[wafer]

you don't own any game anymore this is standard T&C

[Baphomeat]

Originally posted by Skirnir:

Originally posted by Baphomeat:

Directly from the front of the manual back in 2006. It was always a license and not ownership. Its not the Games fault you didn't read the agreement you accepted. Bslls in your court now bud, how are ya gonna lie out of it now? EULA literally means End User (you) License Agreement.

"License Agreement" for a DISC that you Physically-owned.
It's not the same..
You're confusing a "License Agreement"
with
"Agreeing TO a license"

You can't read can you?

[Skirnir]

Originally posted by Caduryn:

Originally posted by Skirnir:

Unlike the first time around

This time you don't "own" your copy of Oblivion. Zenimax does.
Refund requested.
If you're sticking around and playing, then I hope you enjoy the game as much as I wanted to.
I'll be setting sail for Nassau.
"Drink up, me hearties, yo-ho"

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YOu seems to be new to Gaming....
Just owning a Licence was a thing already 30 Years ago...

Find me one game disc manual that says "You don't own this DISC, we reserve all rights to take it from you at any time." and I will happily eat my words with thousand-island dressing.

[PocketYoda]

You didn't own the games on retail disks either, you only owned the packaging and the disk.. Not the actual game.

[Schism]

This is the case for pretty much every game these days, if I'm honest. We're FAR past the point of no return for this.

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by Pyro3000:

Originally posted by NTense:

You own nothing on Steam, that's why their ToS is called the "subscriber agreement"

I will always hate when people bring this up, because it wasn't always called a subscriber agreement. There was a disclaimer when you installed Steam. You also didn't get to read that until you took your boxed game home and opened it.

The real kicker, though? When they changed it, you were given an option to forfeit your entire library and disagree, or you could agree and keep your library of games. Now, I have always understood that if Steam shut down, my games were gone, but being told I could either agree or lose my 1500+ game library was pretty messed up.

It was always called Subscriber agreement
From 2004
https://web.archive.org/web/20041207200352/http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=subscriber_agreement

and on this page from June 2004 (before Half Life 2 released) you can see a link to the Steam subscriber agreement at the bottom of the page.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040604182301/http://www.steampowered.com/

[Skirnir]

Originally posted by Baphomeat:

Originally posted by Skirnir:

"License Agreement" for a DISC that you Physically-owned.
It's not the same..
You're confusing a "License Agreement"
with
"Agreeing TO a license"

You can't read can you?

I can. There's no need to be rude simply because I take exception with the current state-of-affairs with gaming and property-ownership.

[Waldherz]

You do not own any game on steam, period.
This is not new and has been that way since Half Life 2.

[Caduryn]

Originally posted by Skirnir:

Originally posted by Caduryn:

YOu seems to be new to Gaming....
Just owning a Licence was a thing already 30 Years ago...

Find me one game disc manual that says "You don't own this DISC, we reserve all rights to take it from you at any time." and I will happily eat my words with thousand-island dressing.

You OWN the Disc, not the Software on it.

[Gibbo]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

You didn't own the games on retail disks either, you only owned the packaging and the disk..

Yep and the first thing we had to do after putting the disk in our pc was agree to the EULA. If you didn't it would not install so yeah you owned a piece of plastic. Well done.

[Zanfr]

this argument pops up with every major release so here is my logic:
- if its money I can stand losing (say the game is somehow removed from my library on a whim) then yeah whatever, it is disposable...
- if I don't like spending $$$ for something that can be removed on a whim, then nope.

Only invest as much as you are willing to lose.

[Skirnir]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

You didn't own the games on retail disks either, you only owned the packaging and the disk.. Not the actual game.

Again, I understand full-well that there needed to be SOME restrictions to prevent people from making derivative copies. No one's debating that.
But nowhere in that agreement does it say, "You don't OWN this disc and we have the right to take it from you at our discretion.."

[Q]

Don't bother, look how many are repeating the "but but you don't own anything..." as i said, indoctrination by big corpo, instead of saying "hey yeah, we should have some degree of ownership or long term availability guarantees for this digital content"

Nope, no way, they will defend big corpo and tell you how wrong you are for being pro-consumer.

[Riiakhan]

Originally posted by Skirnir:

Unlike the first time around

This time you don't "own" your copy of Oblivion. Zenimax does.
Refund requested.
If you're sticking around and playing, then I hope you enjoy the game as much as I wanted to.
I'll be setting sail for Nassau.
"Drink up, me hearties, yo-ho"

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It's all licenses on Steam. The DRM side won. It's been that way for a very VERY long time.
And whenever Gaben passes it'll all become so much worse.

[EleventhStar]

Originally posted by Skirnir:

Find me one game disc manual that says "You don't own this DISC, we reserve all rights to take it from you at any time." and I will happily eat my words with thousand-island dressing.

if you go with that logic then you shouldn't have an issue, since you do own the physical 1s and 0s on your harddrive, just like you own the physical 1s and 0s on the disc.