Read that EULA Carefully people

[Skirnir]

Unlike the first time around

This time you don't "own" your copy of Oblivion. Zenimax does.
Refund requested.
If you're sticking around and playing, then I hope you enjoy the game as much as I wanted to.
I'll be setting sail for Nassau.
"Drink up, me hearties, yo-ho"

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the comments above do not express, imply nor endorse piracy of any form. they are simply quotes and any inferred deeper-meaning is of the sole-interpretation of the reader and NOT the original author of this discussion topic]

[Zanfr]

Used to be a time when you paid for a game you'd get 1. reasonable pricing 2. a finished product 3. a physical product 4. you'd own it and weren't dependent on the whims of a platform (yes there are the old school DRMs that broke but there are ways around that)

[NTense]

You own nothing on Steam, that's why their ToS is called the "subscriber agreement"

[¥aeko]

we never owned our games, and even steam only ever provided us with a license.

Try taking it away from people though, and see what the EU will do to whomever actually tries

[Skirnir]

Originally posted by NTense:

You own nothing on Steam, that's why their ToS is called the "subscriber agreement"

Never agreed to it AND sent a rebuttal letter stating in no uncertain-terms that I do not agree to it either.

[Skirnir]

Originally posted by ¥aeko:

we never owned our games, and even steam only ever provided us with a license.

Try taking it away from people though, and see what the EU will do to whomever actually tries

lol.. created a hell of a surge in "spacewars"-players, that's for sure..

if you know, you know..

[Elazul]

Originally posted by NTense:

You own nothing on Steam, that's why their ToS is called the "subscriber agreement"

Yeah, Steam updated their TOS recently to reflect this as well. Nothing on Steam is owned any longer. So, OP you should delete your Steam account

[JefferyNothing]

Have you been living under a rock OP this has an always been how it is. We’ve never owned digital games. They’re licensed to us.

[Mugiwara]

These kind of EULAs won't fly in the EU. I guess it depends where you live. The EULA has the look of a copy & paste from it's multiplayer titles.

What concerns me more, is whether it includes DRM/anti cheat. I'm still downloading and haven't been able to confirm whether or not it has any. If it does I'll be joining you with the refund.

[Skirnir]

Originally posted by Elazul:

Originally posted by NTense:

You own nothing on Steam, that's why their ToS is called the "subscriber agreement"

Yeah, Steam updated their TOS recently to reflect this as well. Nothing on Steam is owned any longer. So, OP you should delete your Steam account :mhwilds_goodbye:

No I don't think I will.
Because many of the games on my list were purchased BEFORE the Steam EULA update (which I refused to agree to and sent a counter-notice stating as such)

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by Skirnir:

Originally posted by NTense:

You own nothing on Steam, that's why their ToS is called the "subscriber agreement"

Never agreed to it AND sent a rebuttal letter stating in no uncertain-terms that I do not agree to it either.

If you didn't agree to it, then you wouldn't have an account right now with games on it. But you did agree to it. And sending the rebuttal won't do anything.

You did agree to it, and you agreed that you don't own the games on your account on Steam.

[Skirnir]

Originally posted by JefferyNothing:

Have you been living under a rock OP this has an always been how it is. We’ve never owned digital games. They’re licensed to us.

It really hasn't "always been like this"
and in much the way you ask me if i've lived under a rock
i'd ask you inasmuch if you were 'born just yesterday?'

[Gibbo]

You're about 20 years late. We've always only owned a copy through a licence. We've never owned the game. That belongs to the devs.

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by Skirnir:

Originally posted by Elazul:

Yeah, Steam updated their TOS recently to reflect this as well. Nothing on Steam is owned any longer. So, OP you should delete your Steam account :mhwilds_goodbye:

No I don't think I will.
Because many of the games on my list were purchased BEFORE the Steam EULA update (which I refused to agree to and sent a counter-notice stating as such)

Its always been like that since the beginning of Steam. Its actually not new at all, you have never ever owned any of the games you bought on Steam during the entirety of your account's life.

[Zanfr]

Originally posted by Elazul:

Originally posted by NTense:

You own nothing on Steam, that's why their ToS is called the "subscriber agreement"

Yeah, Steam updated their TOS recently to reflect this as well. Nothing on Steam is owned any longer. So, OP you should delete your Steam account :mhwilds_goodbye:

it isn't retroactive. you cannot change TOS after a sale.

[Skirnir]

Originally posted by WolfEisberg:

Originally posted by Skirnir:

Never agreed to it AND sent a rebuttal letter stating in no uncertain-terms that I do not agree to it either.

If you didn't agree to it, then you wouldn't have an account right now with games on it. But you did agree to it. And sending the rebuttal won't do anything.

You did agree to it, and you agreed that you don't own the games on your account on Steam.

Incorrect;
There is a fundamental human-rights law stating in very clear terms;
"No one shall force upon another person conditions that require them to involuntarily relinquish their rights."
Ergo;
You can't just simply "say" someone agreed to something based on them;
- Reading a EULA/TOS
- Not responding in a specific amount of time
- Replying with a refusal
- or through their inaction