All these "two genders" posters clearly haven't read Vivec's lorebooks.

[WarPigeon]

The series has been "woke" for over two decades now. The people complaining about this are analogous to Elon Musk when he thought Rage Against The Machine was on his side.

[Tsi Aileron]

What? Elon was a Democrat just like them until this last election. They're too busy raging for the machine now, though.

[MidnightMist]

Originally posted by Tsi Aileron:

What? Elon was a Democrat just like them until this last election. They're too busy raging for the machine now, though.

Elon Musk was never a democrat, before 2023 he described himself as a Libertarian

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

The series has been "woke" for over two decades now. The people complaining about this are analogous to Elon Musk when he thought Rage Against The Machine was on his side.

Vivec changes from male to female farms like a clown fish, but we mortals aren't clown fish.

[MoolkBiggestOrruk]

The people who are woke and utilize this BT1 and 2 language are so angry they can't force people to agree with them. Like it or not, mods are going to allow people to use male and female.

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by Tsi Aileron:

What? Elon was a Democrat just like them until this last election. They're too busy raging for the machine now, though.

Haha Rage is certainly not on the side of billionaire CEO Democrats.

The "sides" I was talking about was top/bottom, not left/right. I can understand your confusion though because the top certainly wants to keep us fighting about inane left/right topics (hence deluge of "body type 1/2" posts we see every time a new game is released).

[M'Hael]

I just think its funny that something as basic and fundamental as "Male" and "Female" body types is even up for debate...all the while proponents of the change to type 1/ type 2 or type A/ type B keep telling you it isn't a big deal...if its isn't a big deal than why change it. Who does this appeal to? Like 0.01% of the population that is mentally unwell with the majority of that subset most likely not even play games in the first place?

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by M'Hael:

I just think its funny that something as basic and fundamental as "Male" and "Female" body types is even up for debate...all the while proponents of the change to type 1/ type 2 or type A/ type B keep telling you it isn't a big deal...if its isn't a big deal than why change it. Who does this appeal to? Like 0.01% of the population with the majority of that subset most likely not even play games in the first place?

I actually know a fair amount of transgender gamers, so I dunno how true that last statement is.

But yeah, I agree with the sentiment that this who debate is silly and distracting, and the "it's not a big deal" argument certainly goes both ways. There is so much else we have in common that we should be fighting for together.

[Jadepaw]

Applying mortal concepts to divinity is a classic blunder.

[Crusader (Banned13x)]

You mean Vivec switches from Body Type 1 to Body Type 2?

Well that clears everything up then. Silly us.

[Cryomancer]

Vivec is the exception to that rule.

The reality is. Since Arena, different races and genders in The Elder Scrolls have different base attributes. Redguards and Bretons, male and females have different attributes.

Body type should be endomorph, mesomorph, and ectomorph. Not your gender.

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by Cryomancer:

Vivec is the exception to that rule.

The reality is. Since Area, different races and genders in The Elder Scrolls have different base attributes. Redguards and Bretons, male and females have different attributes.

Body type should be endomorph, mesomorph, and ectomorph. Not your gender.

Well unfortunately, The different genders no longer have stat differences.

[Cryomancer]

Originally posted by R for Reload:

Originally posted by Cryomancer:

Vivec is the exception to that rule.

The reality is. Since Area, different races and genders in The Elder Scrolls have different base attributes. Redguards and Bretons, male and females have different attributes.

Body type should be endomorph, mesomorph, and ectomorph. Not your gender.

Well unfortunately, The different genders no longer have stat differences.

Considering current year, I was expecting them to homogenize races too. Since Arena, Bretons and Reguards have different base stats. I was expecting them to have only a "generic" human race.

Originally posted by MoolkBiggestOrruk:

Like it or not, mods are going to allow people to use male and female.

And be removed from nexusmods.

[Mr. Snek]

Originally posted by MoolkBiggestOrruk:

Originally posted by Mr. Snek:

Aww, look at the little snowflake. Are you gonna cry?

Projection at its finest

Not at all. It's no secret that bigots are the biggest snowflakes. Just look at all the whinging you lot do!

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by Jadepaw:

Applying mortal concepts to divinity is a classic blunder.

Originally posted by Cryomancer:

Vivec is the exception to that rule.

The reality is. Since Arena, different races and genders in The Elder Scrolls have different base attributes. Redguards and Bretons, male and females have different attributes.

Body type should be endomorph, mesomorph, and ectomorph. Not your gender.

Vivec, and some daedric princes, not to mention a slew of other characters in you include later games, too.

My point is none of this is new.

Originally posted by Jadepaw:

Applying mortal concepts to divinity is a classic blunder.

Interesting. So it's ok to have genderless/trans characters as long as they are divine? I have a feeling this is just retroactively justifying things that were already considered progressive in the past.

[R for Reload]

Originally posted by Cryomancer:

Originally posted by R for Reload:

Well unfortunately, The different genders no longer have stat differences.

Considering current year, I was expecting them to homogenize races too. Since Arena, Bretons and Reguards have different base stats. I was expecting them to have only a "generic" human race.

Originally posted by MoolkBiggestOrruk:

Like it or not, mods are going to allow people to use male and female.

And be removed from nexusmods.

Yeah real unfortunate world we live in.
I don't get why games pretend men and women are the same.

Doesnt even makes sense because the game still has gendered quests.