Oblivion started the downfall of TES series

[AdahnGorion]

As the title says.

I personally think Oblivion is mostly remember for making The Elder Scrolls series into a Console centric Action Adventure. It marked the end of a PC centric aRPG series for many players and I know many whom stopped playing once this happened.

Some accepted that it was the new road and enjoyed the games for what they had become as well. When I see people dislike all the stuff.. like body type 1/2 it trivialize some of the other more serious issues with this remaster.. including the fact its just a tiny UE update (not a impressive one in my opinion)

The vast majority of gameplay is the same... the game is identical.. I reckon that you might get a better experience with original Oblivion with mods.


But since everybody is slinging mud about body type.. here are the CC of both the original and the remaster

Original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UQvWleWu_A
Remaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjLwwUCY6VM


I fully understand why some go "This is full inorganic injection or poltiics" but I also fully understand why lots of people don´t care at all.. (it has basically no impact outside the visual representation)

One of the things that happened with this remaster is that Microsoft (Bethesda is a subsidiary of Xbox game studios, its not independent) saw how much traction Skyblivion had (if you don´t know what that is, google it) and then wanted to capitalize and then rushed a project (this was made by a 3rd party Chinese studio)

I hope that everybody that bought the game like it. It is only a game after all, but I think it is perfectly fine that people choose to buy or not buy a project and make their subjective arguments about it.. Where I see Oblivion as the downfall, others might see it as the start of glory... That is what makes us humans awesome, we are all very different and have different opinions.


Now I hope you all get a good evening and remember to be respectful, no matter what opinions people have.

[SkySymphony]

That was a good read ! Thank you !

[AdahnGorion]

If you wanna see a comparison of graphics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRWHj_Lg8Co

The thing is, if this had been made fully in UE it would not function properly (obviously) and that is why its just a graphical update.

If you wanna compare it to Skyblivion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvlz8CYCQzc

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by SkySymphony:

That was a good read ! Thank you !

No problem.
Have a good day.

[Guvenoren]

You're very careful. I suppose that just reflects how angry people are here. The battle of woke vs non-woke is honestly Bethesda's fault.

[Guvenoren]

Originally posted by Guvenoren:

You're very careful with your wording. I suppose that just reflects how angry people are here. The battle of woke vs non-woke is honestly Bethesda's fault.

[FireShark]

Not the downfall, the casualization.

I still think the TES world has great lore and characters and is still better than many similar games.

Even the Souls series is starting to get casualized now with pvp focused stuff like Nightreign and Duskbloods. It happens to every major series.

[phadin]

I didn't even remember the original Oblivion was on console. It never seemed much different from Morrowind to me playing it on PC. Most of the same mechanics were still in place. It wasn't until Skyrim that they really changed things up to be more console-friendly.

[Dork_Stalker_310]

You do realize that Morrowind got a console release too, right?

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by FireShark:

Not the downfall, the casualization.

I still think the TES world has great lore and characters and is still better than many similar games.

Even the Souls series is starting to get casualized now with pvp focused stuff like Nightreign and Duskbloods. It happens to every major series.

Well just it was a casualization (that is a downfall for me, as they killed the PC centric aRPG in favour of a console centric Action Adventure)

I agree that the lore is great and Obvliion is not a bad game, its decent for what it wants to be.. but again.. I wanted more complex aRPG´s and thus I become less interested in the IP-

Dragon Age is a similar example, it started out as a PC centric cRPG, then changed after 1 game to a console centric Action Adventure.
Many of the bigger studios/publishers and corporation that own both in masse... don´t think cRPG´s could sell to the mainstream, hence why they dumbed down everything and made it console centric.

BG3 showcased that is not true.
But you will see Microsoft focus on console.. that is their focus after all (Again Bethesda only exist in name now, its just another studio in the Xbox Game Studios division)

Souls have always been casual.. yes I said it.. its a casual console centric time sequenced action adventure..

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by phadin:

I didn't even remember the original Oblivion was on console. It never seemed much different from Morrowind to me playing it on PC. Most of the same mechanics were still in place. It wasn't until Skyrim that they really changed things up to be more console-friendly.

They removed half the RPG mechanics in Oblivion and casualized the things that they keept.. they are two opposite games in many way.... Not just in terms of agency, but also the features.

Skyrim further casualized the series, but did much better overall due to the exploration (it basically hit home with casual mainstream, but was fun enough for people that normally buy something more complex, as the lore was still great)

Overall.. This remaster is still just Oblivion in all but updated graphics.
Some people are obviously angry about the body type thingy.. but that is such a minor thing.. but its not just PC gamers, console gamers seems to dislike it as well.

Here is an example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxlVtFUfgs

I don´t really agree with the person, but it gives you an idea about the logic about people and why the forum is spammed with that, rather than the debate about if Oblivion is a good game or not..... due to gameplay.

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by Dork_Stalker_310:

You do realize that Morrowind got a console release too, right?

Indeed it did.
But it was created with PC in mind and thus a PC centric game.

That is the entire point here after all.


Examples of modern AAA PC Games and Console games.

PC

BG3
CP2077

Console

Starfield
Veilguard
E:R
H:L


Just to give a few examples.

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by Guvenoren:

You're very careful. I suppose that just reflects how angry people are here. The battle of woke vs non-woke is honestly Bethesda's fault.

They are two sides if the same coin