Beating Mankar Camoran at high level?

[HeOfManyGames]

Edit: My character is an RP of a traditional disgraced knight type class, I dont use magic , alchemy or sneak in this run, so I cant use the traditional methods most people are suggesting. Is there a viable strategy for a melee fighter to beat him?

I'm level 28. Almost immortal in normal gameplay, just got to Mankar Camoran fight and he's literally un-killable.

Every time he takes damage, he heals it, but he also has seemingly 90-100% reflect damage.......
This means I cant just lay into him and try to deal damage faster than he heals, as the reflection of my own attack strength + damage from his kids hitting me, means I have to back off and loop the room to heal after a few seconds of landing blows. In the time I take to heal back to 50% health, he's already back to full and then we just repeat the cycle.


I have 80% resist magic, 63% reflect spell, 30% reflect damage and full upgraded + enchanted daedric + 'shield' enchantments. 100-120 in every attribute except personality and luck, master of all used combat, armour and restoration skills; 522 health etc. etc. etc.

I cant really get any better in terms of protection. Any spell I use on him for the effect, gets reflected back on me. i.e if I paralyse him, I get dropped too. Tried spamming potions, poisons etc. but its still not enough.

Any tips or non console command ways to cheese him?

Thanks in advance.

[robilar5500]

I killed him with two daedric arrows while camouflaged. Actually, I was surprised the game let me cheese him like that.

[saiyuk976]

I don't know this fight but here's my first thoughts...

Can you cast invisibility for 10sec and sneak behind for 8x dagger sneak attack?

Spam crafted health pots for a heal over time while smacking him with a weapon with silence?

There's a ring with 100% resist to paralyse/disease/poison would protect from your paralysing attack reflecting back.

If your block is high, shield bash is maybe worth a try.

Stack more thorns and don't attack? You have 30% reflect damage, is that from a necklace with a +25 to blade/blunt? There's also a ring (iron fist) that has the same reflect damage, along with a hood from a mage guild quest that gives another 17% reflect damage.

[Cattastrafy]

Might be a little late but sounds like poisons might be a good possibility to ruin his day if you got mats or poisons laying around.

Can't say I've fought him in the remaster, but literally just beat him in og with ooo mod (if anything, he's harder) and all I had to do was lay a few 3x poisons in him and he was done for. Kinda underwhelming (although OOO gives you another fun dude to fight first so I imagine that was supposed to be the major challenge anyways). Probably same deal in remaster. I know he wears a mundane ring in vanilla og game, so that's 50 resist to magic and some amount of spell reflect itself. Magi. Might not be the the play without huge custom weakness spells to overcome.

[Mightylink]

Just keep trying, eventually he'll stop casting for a while and leave you an opening to kill him. The mechanics of this fight are pretty bad but it's all they could do with the engine at the time. He's a damage sponge until his magicka runs out.

[Nex]

I killed him on master via summon daedroth. I almost killed myself cuz damage reflection. It was a very long fight...

[psychotron666]

At level 30 I killed him before he got out of his chair lol

[Dyna]

I don't even remember fighting him rofl.

[HeOfManyGames]

Originally posted by Mightylink:

Just keep trying, eventually he'll stop casting for a while and leave you an opening to kill him. The mechanics of this fight are pretty bad but it's all they could do with the engine at the time. He's a damage sponge until his magicka runs out.

Mmm, yeh I'm sure you're right; hopefully I'll get lucky at some point.

For the other replies. Unfortunately I'm playing a sword + shield traditional combat only run, so I cant summon anything decent (or anything at all without scrolls), I'm also not using alchemy for this run, so I dont have any poisons strong enough to even make a dent.

I do have most of the best enchanted rings/necklaces , so I can for example switch them round to get less magic res but much more reflect damage; however this doesnt seem to help. ( I dont remember him being this hard in the OG game lol)

I cant use sneak bonus damage cheesing as I havent done any stealth work for this playthrough, so I dont get any bonus damage for sneak attacks. (could swear that was different in OG too, although could be confusing it with Skyrim...)

I know I 'could' beat him, but I'd have to load a save from before even entering his Paradise and then mess around for ages tweaking things, which tbh I cant be bothered to do. Might just load the save and do shivering isles first lol

[[TG] zac]

As others have said sneak attack cheese does it well.

Otherwise custom spells can nuke him or nearly anyone else rather easily as well.

For instance combine

100% weakness to magic X seconds (2 or more)
100% weakness to an element for X seconds (2 or more)
Drain 100 health for X seconds (2 or more)
Y damage of whatever element you made him weak to for X seconds (2 or more)

This spell should be reducing his health by 100 points then doing quadruple the element damage because of the weaknesses and be insanely cheap compared to just straight up doing the damage with a single spell effect instantly.

Poisons also work wonders against him as he is a caster.
There are numerous ingredients you can combine to get the silence effect & effects that will damage health & drain magic (possibly elemental damage too if you are good enough with alchemy).
As a mage if he cannot cast he cannot heal and his offenses go to crap.

[𝒟𝒶𝓇𝓀𝑜𝓃𝑒259]

Enchant a weapon with a magic damage effect and weakness to magic, So what I go for with only 50 destruction, damage health 15, drain health 100, weakness to magic 100 each for 1 second, I killed him pretty easily and most things through out the entire game with such a weapon

[magne.moe]

Originally posted by 𝒟𝒶𝓇𝓀𝑜𝓃𝑒259:

Enchant a weapon with a magic damage effect and weakness to magic, So what I go for with only 50 destruction, damage health 15, drain health 100, weakness to magic 100 each for 1 second, I killed him pretty easily and most things through out the entire game with such a weapon

Put silence poison on blade for an fight like this, might add paralyze :) And yes the exponential blade as I call it is crazy.

[HeOfManyGames]

Thats an issue... as mentioned above, I'm not using alchemy or magic (other than restoration) for this character.

So I cant nuke him with custom spells or make heavy hitting poisons, I also dont get massive bonus damage multipliers for stealth attacks as I dont use daggers and havent levelled sneak at all. So does that mean I cant beat him without sacrificing my RP and grinding skills I dont use?

[ZemX]

Originally posted by HeOfManyGames:

So I cant nuke him with custom spells or make heavy hitting poisons, I also dont get massive bonus damage multipliers for stealth attacks as I dont use daggers and havent levelled sneak at all. So does that mean I cant beat him without sacrificing my RP and grinding skills I dont use?

What about bows? If you really went strictly sword and board with no other means of offense then yeah, you're vulnerable to running into someone who isn't easily killed by melee weapons possibly. If you had Marksman as a backup you could pull out a bow and pepper him with arrows until he runs out of mana and then health. Damage reflect only happens on melee physical damage. Mundane arrows wouldn't care about his magic resist, absorb, or spell reflection either. It would be his shield rating and healing vs your arrows. If you bought some paralyze potions to coat the arrows with, that might eventually work too. At least slow down his spell casting.

[solidap]

Originally posted by Nex:

I killed him on master via summon daedroth. I almost killed myself cuz damage reflection. It was a very long fight...:er_sweat:

I was going to suggest summons. Even if you're not a magic using character, there are still plenty of scrolls and enchanted items with summons. Summon creatures scale with the character just like any other monster, so in the case of the OP, a level 28 summon will be very powerful

You might also try bringing friends, if you're Grand Master in any guilds or you've completed Knights of the Nine or Battlehorn Castle

[[TG] zac]

Originally posted by HeOfManyGames:

Thats an issue... as mentioned above, I'm not using alchemy or magic (other than restoration) for this character.

So I cant nuke him with custom spells or make heavy hitting poisons, I also dont get massive bonus damage multipliers for stealth attacks as I dont use daggers and havent levelled sneak at all. So does that mean I cant beat him without sacrificing my RP and grinding skills I dont use?

There is a way to boost combat damage via restoration.

Melee damage is calculated based on how much your max endurance is vs how much you had when you made the attack.

Meaning if your endurance is 2x what your max would have been when you make the attack your damage is then doubled.

There is actually a funny old meme build a streamer made 17 years ago.
He ate a bunch of stuff that damaged his max endurance down to 10 then used restoration magic & enchantments to boost it to over 200.
That way his first attack was doing 20x normal damage and every attack after that was only slightly less powerful.