Is the over world too easy ?

[dfrom975]

This game was on my radar for several months, now its only $5.

I'm afraid it may be too easy with no real stratagy. The building sounds intreguing and fun in it self, but I would like some challange. When you go above ground is it challanging ?

I was already let down with Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. After reading everyones comments then watching several Youtubes, all seemed great until the last one I watched, they talked about how extreamily easy combat was. Seems I was the first to ask here on Steam after watching it, then everyone came out of the wood work to agree it was crazy easy.

So now I'm afraid Dungeons 2 may only be eye candy.

[Gog]

I've heard the campaign is fun but easy if you are a really good RTS player. (At least Until you get to the later levels)

But I did hear the Undead DLC was way harder. I'm assuming it is the 'A Game of Winter' DLC, which people comment in the review that it is harder.

Also, Dungeons 2 supports skirmish which you can set the difficulty to Hard and I heard that it is definitely hard.

I'm on the fence about getting this as well.

[The Average Ivy Enjoyer]

The Campaign itself is quite nicely at at term of difficulty - But the Game of Winter DLC is stupidly difficult halfway through, and that's why a few people can't complete it.

Devs kinda messed up on the Difficulty Spike for Game of Winter, but other than that they CAN make a pretty good game... But when they make a mistake it's damn a legendary screw-up.

[BlueKando]

A game of winter is not "unbeatable hard".

Except for learning (faction) mechanics and some randomness in maybe 2 missions like the last where meltisand sometimes gets realy early control of the stones and if you are not realy good/fast you have little chance to stop her there is just ONE think you truely have to learn.

Rush for higher tier units, your tier 1 units are just to weak to cut it as undead, even with upgrades.

[[MOSS]-BurningUp]

Originally posted by dfrom975:

This game was on my radar for several months, now its only $5.

I'm afraid it may be too easy with no real stratagy. The building sounds intreguing and fun in it self, but I would like some challange. When you go above ground is it challanging ?

I was already let down with Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. After reading everyones comments then watching several Youtubes, all seemed great until the last one I watched, they talked about how extreamily easy combat was. Seems I was the first to ask here on Steam after watching it, then everyone came out of the wood work to agree it was crazy easy.

So now I'm afraid Dungeons 2 may only be eye candy.

I'm on like the 5th mission I think the game is totally worth it and fun. Building your base is a blast. The game is a nice change of pace.

One thing to keep in mind is, It isn't really a standard RTS it's more of a RTS/simulation, sort of like Majesty is.

It is not just build a base and go zerg the other base with 50 marines, there's exploration involved and even hidden things in your base you can find by digging.

The largest my army has been so far in the game has only been like 11 units.

[CraftInStars]

Let's just say this game makes me miss Dungeon Keeper 2. Had there been a sandbox mode, I'd say it would've been more worth it. The fleeting nostalgia I got wasn't quite worth it IMHO. The overworld didn't add enough to the gameplay for me. Dungeons 3 looks far better and I'll be going for that next. I love this developer for bringing this type of game back, I just wish they didn't cookie cutter the original so hard for their sequel release.

[[MOSS]-BurningUp]

Originally posted by CraftInStars:

Let's just say this game makes me miss Dungeon Keeper 2. Had there been a sandbox mode, I'd say it would've been more worth it. The fleeting nostalgia I got wasn't quite worth it IMHO. The overworld didn't add enough to the gameplay for me. Dungeons 3 looks far better and I'll be going for that next. I love this developer for bringing this type of game back, I just wish they didn't cookie cutter the original so hard for their sequel release.

I never played the original Dungeon Keeper games even though technically I should have, going by my age. I guess back in the day i was always more into the standard, save the princess RPG's.

DK2 is way too dated now so for someone like me this is cool and something different.
I haven't even really played RTS/sim games much lately.

[Gog]

Originally posted by MOSS-BurningUp:

Originally posted by CraftInStars:

Let's just say this game makes me miss Dungeon Keeper 2. Had there been a sandbox mode, I'd say it would've been more worth it. The fleeting nostalgia I got wasn't quite worth it IMHO. The overworld didn't add enough to the gameplay for me. Dungeons 3 looks far better and I'll be going for that next. I love this developer for bringing this type of game back, I just wish they didn't cookie cutter the original so hard for their sequel release.

I never played the original Dungeon Keeper games even though technically I should have, going by my age. I guess back in the day i was always more into the standard, save the princess RPG's.

DK2 is way too dated now so for someone like me this is cool and something different.
I haven't even really played RTS/sim games much lately.

tbh, I would try both games. You can get them both and the expansions for like 3 bucks on GOG right now.

If you play Dungeon Keeper 1 with the FX mod it does a bunch of bug fixes and allows you to play at higher resolutions.

For me, DK2 still out plays both WFTO and Dungeons 2 (haven't played 3 yet)

[dfrom975]

Last night I watched yet another Youtube by IGN. The guy looked beyond the cool dungeon building and talked about the combat challange.


- As far as the underworld, you get attacked by mobs of only 3 at a time, and simple traps would take care of them.

- As far as the overworld, just make a party of 8 and simply walk around bumping into enemy groups and the game kill them for you.


The sim / building part looks fun as anything, but thats about it. I know it's only $5, thats np but my time in playing also counts...... As far as Dungeons 3, I'm not seeing any major diffriance.

I could really see the attraction, the game looks fun but I would need some reasion for doing my actions.

Thanks everyone :)

[Shad1902]

Originally posted by Ratak Warmonger:

The Campaign itself is quite nicely at at term of difficulty - But the Game of Winter DLC is stupidly difficult halfway through, and that's why a few people can't complete it.

Devs kinda messed up on the Difficulty Spike for Game of Winter, but other than that they CAN make a pretty good game... But when they make a mistake it's damn a legendary screw-up.

just completed the game of winter campaign and I had to restart only 1 mission. The difficulty for the DLC is just right...maybe it's just the millenials that can't handle some difficulty. Base game is to easy but fun to play.

Anyway, just in case, some of the tips for the DLC:

- the undead faction is more geared towards micromanagement, while the horde is simple move-attack
- not all tier3 units are worth the cost, skeletons can stay tier 2, 1 lich (tier 3 sekeleton) is enough in amy group.
- banshees (shadow tier 2) and vampires (blooddrinker tier3) are OP and require only a low amount of micro. The Tier 3 shadow is nice but required more micro ( = hitting the bat spell at the beginning of the combat --> I-Win button)
- Zombies are not worth it, because of their population cost and lack of massive enemies, so they can stay tier1 (and thus keep their revive).

in the later missions I rush the vampires (+better bats/heal), then upgrade shadows and skellies to tier2.

4 vampires + 3 banshees + 4 skeleton snipers annihilate any enemy group in about 2 seconds....

[[MOSS]-BurningUp]

Originally posted by dfrom975:

Last night I watched yet another Youtube by IGN. The guy looked beyond the cool dungeon building and talked about the combat challange.


- As far as the underworld, you get attacked by mobs of only 3 at a time, and simple traps would take care of them.

- As far as the overworld, just make a party of 8 and simply walk around bumping into enemy groups and the game kill them for you.


The sim / building part looks fun as anything, but thats about it. I know it's only $5, thats np but my time in playing also counts...... As far as Dungeons 3, I'm not seeing any major diffriance.

I could really see the attraction, the game looks fun but I would need some reasion for doing my actions.

Thanks everyone :)

You get attacked by more than 3 guys... on map 5 they sent some more powerful hero dudes after me that had a Bard with them. Also their Bards can disable traps.

Every RTS game is making groups of dudes and they kill people for you. However the units do have skills such as the Naga Queen that uses a healing beam.

shrug it's your choice but I think you should try it, it's something different.

[BlueKando]

Originally posted by Shad1902:

- Zombies are not worth it, because of their population cost and lack of massive enemies, so they can stay tier1 (and thus keep their revive).

zombies (absolutly critical for tier 1 survival) tier 2 get a massiv dps boost, a charge move and a minor heal and there tier 3 is one of the best "tank" units in the game with a shield spell for your weaker units soooo.... i find this tip very very wrong.

[Shad1902]

Originally posted by Kando:

Originally posted by Shad1902:

- Zombies are not worth it, because of their population cost and lack of massive enemies, so they can stay tier1 (and thus keep their revive).

zombies (absolutly critical for tier 1 survival) tier 2 get a massiv dps boost, a charge move and a minor heal and there tier 3 is one of the best "tank" units in the game with a shield spell for your weaker units soooo.... i find this typ very very wrong.

for the skirmishes you're right (though I only get 2 of them), but in the campaign they're worthless. No need to tank when you can "bat" everything in 2 seconds (and when you start the map at T3). Just try 5 vampires with the bat spell, they annihilate anything...which also makes them out-dps any other unit.

they also only gain dmg boost vs massive units, which are lacking in the campaign

[BlueKando]

Originally posted by Shad1902:

Originally posted by Kando:

zombies (absolutly critical for tier 1 survival) tier 2 get a massiv dps boost, a charge move and a minor heal and there tier 3 is one of the best "tank" units in the game with a shield spell for your weaker units soooo.... i find this typ very very wrong.

for the skirmishes you're right (though I only get 2 of them), but in the campaign they're worthless. No need to tank when you can "bat" everything in 2 seconds. Just try 5 vampires with the bat spell, they annihilate anything.

yes and how do you survive long enough to get to tier 3?
- bats and gremlins are next to worthless (die to fast)
- wraith is not a fighter and banshees are still very squischy
- skeletons are better used ranged (also very squischy) and does sniper ones to be fair do massive damage and can survive a little longer if hit but not THAT much.

Sure you can drop them in the well and get bats and fast upgrade to nosferatu but i find this kind of a waste at this point exactly for there massive dps even WITH fewer numbers.

What i mean is, dont give tips only advanced players even understand why/how to pull of without properly explaining.
Seen enough people here asking for help with undead exactly because they bought everything but zombies for there tier 1 units and dident understand why they got overrun.

[Shad1902]

Originally posted by Kando:

yes and how do you survive long enough to get to tier 3?

you start tier 3 in the campaign missions halfway through.
the entire discussion is about the campaign
I already stated it in my last post, please learn to read !
the second last mission is easymode with a group of nosferatu with bat swarm...that's about the "unbelievable hard" argument.

[BlueKando]

Originally posted by Shad1902:

Originally posted by Kando:

yes and how do you survive long enough to get to tier 3?

you start tier 3 in the campaign missions halfway through.
the entire discussion is about the campaign
I already stated it in my last post, please learn to read !
the second last mission is easymode with a group of nosferatu with bat swarm...that's about the "unbelievable hard" argument.

I am readying.

You are able to upgrade to tier 3 from the start later sure (your throne room starts at tier 3) but still it costs massive amounts of gold/time to build the buildings/rooms and do the research you need (and i am not talking only about the ones you just need to upgrade) and i am not sure anymore but i think there also needs to be some research (you need pots/mana for that) done (at least in some missions) and time to properly upgrade.

At least if you dont use cheats, buddy.