Guard It and Anti Cheat on Kernel Level Drm?

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

Are you freaking serious bandai? Going the anti consumer Route will make more and more people Boycotting you. You reap what you sow

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yea, non-kernel anti-cheat would be useless, deal with it

[YouMakeMeASandwich!]

Originally posted by space:

yea, non-kernel anti-cheat would be useless, deal with it

Same as kernel-level, but will not cause that damage.
1. It is useless for a coop game - it is not competitive thing, you are shooting birds with 172mm rounds.
2. kernel-level is still software level which means cheap external boards are easily bypassing it by the very design.

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

Originally posted by space:

yea, non-kernel anti-cheat would be useless, deal with it

I don’t support trash so i don’t have to deal with it

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Originally posted by YouMakeMeASandwich!:

1. It is useless for a coop game - it is not competitive thing, you are shooting birds with 172mm rounds.

tell that to all the people that had their saves bricked due to cheaters, it has nothing to do with coop or pvp

[YouMakeMeASandwich!]

Originally posted by space:

tell that to all the people that had their saves bricked due to cheaters, it has nothing to do with coop or pvp

Bricked saves are less damage than installation of a kernel-level software.
Also, it is a game bug that must be fixed properly. Also it happened to a low percent of people compared to direct damage to literally everyone.

[space]

Originally posted by YouMakeMeASandwich!:

Also, it is a game bug that must be fixed properly. Also it happened to a low percent of people compared to direct damage to literally everyone.

no, it's not a bug, cheaters can corrupt your save and hardlock your game progression

Originally posted by YouMakeMeASandwich!:

Bricked saves are less damage than installation of a kernel-level software.

no, it's not, you have literally hundreds of ring zero drivers installed right now

[YouMakeMeASandwich!]

Originally posted by space:

no, it's not a bug, cheaters can corrupt your save and hardlock your game progression

It is fixable by simple backups. No need to fire nukes there.

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Originally posted by YouMakeMeASandwich!:

It is fixable by simple backups. No need to fire nukes there.

that's not a fix, that's a precaution

you're basically saying cheaters should have free reign and fromsoft shouldn't try to curb cheaters that can ruin your game cause you can make a backup?

kernel ac isn't a "nuke", it's standard anti-cheat

[YouMakeMeASandwich!]

Originally posted by space:

no, it's not, you have literally hundreds of ring zero drivers installed right now

Yes, each of them is a potential vulnerability. Except those are much better tested and really necessary.
This crap has no excuses - it does not fix anything by the very design. Software level can't beat hardware level.

[YouMakeMeASandwich!]

Originally posted by space:

kernel ac isn't a "nuke", it's standard anti-cheat

No, it is not standard, it is anti-consumer crap that should be avoided!

[space]

Originally posted by YouMakeMeASandwich!:

Yes, each of them is a potential vulnerability. Except those are much better tested and really necessary.
This crap has no excuses - it does not fix anything by the very design. Software level can't beat hardware level.

then you should stop using computers cause pretty much everything is a "potential vulnerability"

Originally posted by YouMakeMeASandwich!:

No, it is not standard, it is anti-consumer crap that should be avoided!

feel free to avoid it all you want, i'll be enjoying the game with less cheaters than there would be without it

[YouMakeMeASandwich!]

Originally posted by space:

you're basically saying cheaters should have free reign and fromsoft shouldn't try to curb cheaters that can ruin your game cause you can make a backup?

What I am saying - you should not do direct damage to consumers
- especially if you do more damage than preventing
- especially if you do not prevent anything by design

[YouMakeMeASandwich!]

Originally posted by space:

feel free to avoid it all you want, i'll be enjoying the game with less cheaters than there would be without it

No, you will not. Again, by the very design.

[space]

Originally posted by YouMakeMeASandwich!:

What I am saying - you should not do direct damage to consumers
- especially if you do more damage than preventing
- especially if you do not prevent anything by design

anti-cheat isn't damage to consumers, quite the opposite, you don't know how anything works and don't know what you're talking about

Originally posted by YouMakeMeASandwich!:

No, you will not. Again, by the very design.

yea i will, just like i did in nearly 400 hours in elden ring

[YouMakeMeASandwich!]

Originally posted by space:

then you should stop using computers cause pretty much everything is a "potential vulnerability"

Go click every single banner you see and run every single executable you find.
This is about reasonable risc - this one has no excuses at all, it prevents nothing and causes direct damage.