Is there any way to make Vestal a viable dps?

[Justice]

No matter what I try to experience to build as dps it always sucks and extremely underwheiming - always returning back to healer only vestal.

If I try to build Vestal as range dmg dealer - her judgement dmg is just weak, no matter how much dmg I pump into her.

The Melee vestal sucks as well with her low crit, low dmg bonk that is only can target frontline. Hand of light that can reach position 3 woulld be a good skill if not for -50% dmg. I mean sure it gives a dmg buff, but not enough compensate -50%dmg. It sucks that low dmg Bonk and hand of light doesn't do anything else to support the team (no de-stealth, no de-buff, no dots, no AoE cleves). I wished you could still had judgement in position 2 to do some chip dmg to backline, but alas. Her stun is the only noticetable helpfull skill, but for that you dont need to a build dps build.

It always come back to 1 role she very good as: Healer+ ok stun. Sad there is no divercity and variety for her builds. Just a healer that you put in back or in position 2.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Tried it once, didn't really work. Anyway, maybe there's a way, but I didn't find it.

[Velvet Waltz]

Hand of Light is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

if you want rank 2 vestal to work, run profane scroll, mace bash/divine grace/dazzling light/enlightenment

[Justice]

Publicado originalmente por Can Throne:

Hand of Light is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

if you want rank 2 vestal to work, run profane scroll, mace bash/divine grace/dazzling light/enlightenment

I know how to make rank 2 vestal with profane scroll. But the dmg is abysmal, especially vs prot enemies, which unfortunely for her are almost always in front position of enemy line.
I put Vestal in position 2 when I want to use 2 heroes that want position 3 and 4

[Velvet Waltz]

Publicado originalmente por Justice:

Publicado originalmente por Can Throne:

Hand of Light is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

if you want rank 2 vestal to work, run profane scroll, mace bash/divine grace/dazzling light/enlightenment

I put Vestal in position 2 when I want to use 2 heroes that want position 3 and 4

yes, that's the point of rank 2 vestal, mostly. she actually has decent base damage. her shortcoming is not being able to hit rank 3. but finishing off damaged enemies + stun + aoe heal is all you'll ever need from a rank 2 vestal anyway, she doesn't need to carry the whole fight. she can still crit 30+ with just a profane scroll.

[Justice]

Publicado originalmente por Can Throne:

she can still crit 30+ with just a profane scroll.

Only vs basic skeleton with no protection.

[charles_d_berger]

She is the game's most powerful healer. It stands to reason that any other role for her is going to be mediocre, and less effective than others. I don't know why this should be surprising or frustrating. All the characters have stuff they do well, stuff they do awkwardly, and stuff they can't do at all.

[Velvet Waltz]

Publicado originalmente por Justice:

Publicado originalmente por Can Throne:

she can still crit 30+ with just a profane scroll.

Only vs basic skeleton with no protection.

there are plenty of other front rank enemies that are good targets for vestals - cultists/priests in the DD, mosquitos everywhere, pelagic groupers.. high PROT enemies do tend to wall heroes that are not specifically equipped to deal with them and the vestal just isnt. and that's fine.

[Justice]

Publicado originalmente por charles_d_berger:

She is the game's most powerful healer. It stands to reason that any other role for her is going to be mediocre, and less effective than others. I don't know why this should be surprising or frustrating. All the characters have stuff they do well, stuff they do awkwardly, and stuff they can't do at all.

Not mediocore, but horrible. All other heroes have can do something besides their primal role . Jester can stress heals, buff team, be a dot dmg dealer or finale bomber. Occultist can stun, mark, de-buff, heal, dmg dealer vs eldrich in back or front. Man at arms can defend, buff team, debuff enemy, stun, not very good but ok dmg dealer (at least better than vestal). Leper can be dmg dealer, enemy de-stealth/debuffer, tank, corpse cleaner/frontline enemy disruptor.

Vestal, despite having 4 skills dedicated to combat are horrendously bad. Any other hero besides maybe Antiqurian will do better job at dps than vestal.

What's wrong with trying to play outside of box and attempting to build Vestal that isn't bland healer + with ocassional stun? But her second melee playstyle is just no viable at all. The best she can do is be meat shield in position 2, doing exactly same thing she was doing in back position: heal and stun. Rarely finding worthwhile using melee skills as they provide no value.

[Ghoul Hunter]

She does a bit more than just heal and stun. She can un-invis as well as debuff dodge. She pairs well with a leper (and many others), since she can set him up for 100% (95) accuracy.

[charles_d_berger]

Agree with GH - de-stealthing is her secret power. I used to always ignore de-stealth, thinking it was a waste of a turn. Then I started doing it...

[Justice]

Publicado originalmente por charles_d_berger:

Agree with GH - de-stealthing is her secret power. I used to always ignore de-stealth, thinking it was a waste of a turn. Then I started doing it...

But oviously not a dps and almost never use it as a de-buff if it's not a stealthed enemy when stun is so much better

[Demethrite]

At best it's macebash against undead ennemies to make use of the bonus damage, her kit doesn't really calls for damage (most of her offensive abilities have low base dmg) even tho i'm pretty sure someone made a 4 vestal dd4 run at some point.

I have a setup on endless where i'd use a vestal on rank 2, but that's mostly still a healer/utility role. Destealthing disrupting ennemies and tanking because she gets focused a bit more. But it feel she has more options when party is already topped than the classic backline healer.

[charles_d_berger]

Whelp. I think we're all agreed the healer doesn't make a great fighter. Can we move on? Now, has anyone made a successful Helion who focuses on de-stressing and buffing from position 4?

[Justice]

Publicado originalmente por charles_d_berger:

Whelp. I think we're all agreed the healer doesn't make a great fighter

Occultist, Arbalest, Crusader, Flagelant laugh at that statement

[Skinny Pete]

Publicado originalmente por Justice:

No matter what I try to experience to build as dps it always sucks and extremely underwheiming - always returning back to healer only vestal.

Actually yes. Give her Profane Scroll and Atonement Beads and put her in R2.

This is not optimal. But if you do this she's actually pretty solid as a melee hero.