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MankarCamoran36 2024 年 12 月 13 日 上午 10:31
Reynauld and Dismas?
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Noob Herder 2024 年 12 月 15 日 上午 2:22 
Decent to keep around as a backup team at least. They're not overly terrible, can put out enough damage and keep themselves alive and sanity intact.
RopeDrink 2024 年 12 月 15 日 上午 4:38 
yah, the word 'objectivity' is a superlative here.

You are objectively better off keeping Reynauld and Dismas with you, evidenced by taking one look at what they are, what they start with (compared to what you could get otherwise), how the game works, and what it expects at that time.

They are strong heroes with strong quirks and strong synergy, one of whom's best zone is the one you'll be spamming for the foreseeable future to progress the game. They have absolutely everything you could want from a 4-man (using half the slots), with both being in their element and having a leg-up on resolve - at a time when your barracks are empty and crying out for filler and levels, particularly flex picks (eg. healing, soothing, mobility, etc).

To say nothing of the "5-Week Rule", where the inverted early-game curve is eased by having fully upgraded level 2's for Apprentice, thus throwing away 1-2 synergistic characters with 1-2 dungeons worth of XP and good quirks is not ideal.

The only issue is Reynauld (optionally) needing a week at the Sanitarium to remove Klepto, which (at worst) normalizes him with the follow-up recruits (with the PD/VES having at least one week to catch up with him). Sure, you can also throw them away and win no biggie, but there is no practical reason to do so.

If people simply prefer other classes, that is perfectly fine. You can disband every single hero and win with nothing but a barracks full of Antiquarians if you truly want to, but for those who care for it, the optimal route is to keep the starting heroes. That's just how it is.
最后由 RopeDrink 编辑于; 2024 年 12 月 15 日 上午 5:23
The guy from Ace Attorney 2024 年 12 月 15 日 上午 7:10 
I ship it.
spaceweezle 2024 年 12 月 16 日 下午 4:24 
For some uncanny reason, Reynauld always gets the worst quirks in my games. It's like he was preordained to be a below-average hero.

Conversely, I always get really good quirks on Dismas and it always pains me to fire him. Only in one game did I keep him on as a lvl 2 mascot of sorts while everyone else was legend.

I actually really like Dismas, but Highwaymen don't gel very well in my teams. The skillset, stylistically and mechanically really isn't my thing.
Holografix 2024 年 12 月 16 日 下午 5:19 
引用自 RopeDrink
yah, the word 'objectivity' is a superlative here.

You are objectively better off
it's still superlative. Like you mentioned about my comment earlier in the thread, "that's your opinion."

to be precise, maybe the word is "'strategically' better off" because you're discussing tactics of survivability.
最后由 Holografix 编辑于; 2024 年 12 月 16 日 下午 5:45
Macdallan 2024 年 12 月 16 日 下午 7:17 
引用自 Holografix
引用自 RopeDrink

You are objectively better off
it's still superlative. Like you mentioned about my comment earlier in the thread, "that's your opinion."

to be precise, maybe the word is "'strategically' better off" because you're discussing tactics of survivability.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...
RopeDrink 2024 年 12 月 16 日 下午 10:43 
引用自 Holografix
引用自 RopeDrink

You are objectively better off
it's still superlative. Like you mentioned about my comment earlier in the thread, "that's your opinion."

Where, precisely?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/583876246978456877/#c583876246978478142

https://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/583876246978456877/#c583876375391255896

https://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/583876246978456877/?ctp=2#c583876375391279173

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because you're discussing tactics of survivability.

I'm objectively discussing plain and simple efficiency and how the game works. Survivability has never been a focal point of any of those posts, falling under the umbrella by sheer osmosis (ie. a good start makes life easier, shock horror).

Keeping Reynauld and Dismas means two gap-covering flex-picks with good quirks, good synergies, and a headstart on resolve - in a game where that is the main source of RNG squash for the entire Apprentice tier until you start farming trinkets. Reynauld has two useful bonuses for the zone you have no choice but to spam for X amount of weeks, and said duo (and the PD/VES that follow) are highly flexible additions to what starts as a nigh-empty barracks in desperate need of compositional filler, with all four forming one of the best overall generalist squads in the game.

Given how everything works, there's no practical reason to dismiss Reynauld and Dismas at all during the early game, other than merely wanting to, and while you can win just fine doing that, it is more advantageous to keep them around than it is to discard them or let them die (which equates to avoiding one paltry trip to the Sanitarium and whatever subjective preferences that player might have).

It is what it is.
Holografix 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 1:20 
引用自 RopeDrink
引用自 Holografix
it's still superlative. Like you mentioned about my comment earlier in the thread, "that's your opinion."

Where, precisely?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/583876246978456877/#c583876246978478142

https://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/583876246978456877/#c583876375391255896

https://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/583876246978456877/?ctp=2#c583876375391279173

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because you're discussing tactics of survivability.

I'm objectively discussing plain and simple efficiency and how the game works. Survivability has never been a focal point of any of those posts, falling under the umbrella by sheer osmosis (ie. a good start makes life easier, shock horror).

Keeping Reynauld and Dismas means two gap-covering flex-picks with good quirks, good synergies, and a headstart on resolve - in a game where that is the main source of RNG squash for the entire Apprentice tier until you start farming trinkets. Reynauld has two useful bonuses for the zone you have no choice but to spam for X amount of weeks, and said duo (and the PD/VES that follow) are highly flexible additions to what starts as a nigh-empty barracks in desperate need of compositional filler, with all four forming one of the best overall generalist squads in the game.

Given how everything works, there's no practical reason to dismiss Reynauld and Dismas at all during the early game, other than merely wanting to, and while you can win just fine doing that, it is more advantageous to keep them around than it is to discard them or let them die (which equates to avoiding one paltry trip to the Sanitarium and whatever subjective preferences that player might have).

It is what it is.
guess it wasn't you. it was Mac who wrote the 'opinion' opinion,

I get that you're really hammering home the point that Rey and Dis with their skill set are strategically and tactically great starting characters, and that dismissing them is a mistake.

all communique is perspectival. i don't see how you can step beyond or outside your own self to make an "objective" point. The terms 'Objectivity' or 'objectively' are all misnomers and misused in general language usage.

to hide behind "objectivity" seems disingenuous to me, and is use of the term as a crutch for your argument is called an "appeal to objective fallacy.'

Anyway, i still don;t think the Crusader is a cool class. But to each their own.
最后由 Holografix 编辑于; 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 1:30
Macdallan 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 2:00 
引用自 Holografix
all communique is perspectival. i don't see how you can step beyond or outside your own self to make an "objective" point. The terms 'Objectivity' or 'objectively' are all misnomers and misused in general language usage.

to hide behind "objectivity" seems disingenuous to me, and is use of the term as a crutch for your argument is called an "appeal to objective fallacy.'

Anyway, i still don;t think the Crusader is a cool class. But to each their own.

Gotta give you a big old NOPE on all of this except the opinion that you don't think the crusader is a cool class. You are welcome to your opinion about that. The rest of this makes no sense. You're tossing around big words, misusing them, and not really saying anything...
最后由 Macdallan 编辑于; 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 2:00
Nakos 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 2:48 
It's Holo. In my opinion this is a fairly typical argumentative "style" for them.
Macdallan 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 2:59 
引用自 Nakos
It's Holo. In my opinion this is a fairly typical argumentative "style" for them.

It sure is. I love that we can look at someone's post history. :happy_creep:
最后由 Macdallan 编辑于; 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 3:00
Holografix 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 4:41 
引用自 Macdallan
引用自 Holografix
all communique is perspectival. i don't see how you can step beyond or outside your own self to make an "objective" point. The terms 'Objectivity' or 'objectively' are all misnomers and misused in general language usage.

to hide behind "objectivity" seems disingenuous to me, and is use of the term as a crutch for your argument is called an "appeal to objective fallacy.'

Anyway, i still don;t think the Crusader is a cool class. But to each their own.

Gotta give you a big old NOPE on all of this .... The rest of this makes no sense. You're tossing around big words, misusing them, and not really saying anything...
that's on you though. gotta bone up on your big words, buddy.
Macdallan 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 4:53 
引用自 Holografix
that's on you though. gotta bone up on your big words, buddy.

Well, that's pretty much the kind of response I expected from you especially after reading through some of your post history.

I will say it again - your last post isn't really saying anything at all, all you've done is toss around a few "fancy" words. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
Holografix 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:18 
引用自 Macdallan
引用自 Holografix
that's on you though. gotta bone up on your big words, buddy.

Well, that's pretty much the kind of response I expected from you especially after reading through some of your post history.

I will say it again - your last post isn't really saying anything at all, all you've done is toss around a few "fancy" words. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
i've seen my share of anti-education, anti-intellectual posts on steam forums and yet, there's people that would've just continued the discussion without being stymied by vocabulary.

Don't see this discussion becoming productive if you keep harping on your lack of understanding and blaming me for it, buddy.
Macdallan 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:42 
引用自 Holografix
i've seen my share of anti-education, anti-intellectual posts on steam forums and yet, there's people that would've just continued the discussion without being stymied by vocabulary.

What you have seen before is irrelevant.

This part of your post seems to suggest that someone posted an ant-education, anti-intellectual post in this thread but that hasn't happened. Interesting that you think it did.

No one was "stymied by vocabulary" here... except maybe you because you're trying a bit too hard. The problem with what you attempted to say has been explained to you and you were challenged to prove you actually said something in that paragraph. You have failed to do so and resorted to attacking and deflecting instead which, honesty, was not a surprise at all.

引用自 Holografix
Don't see this discussion becoming productive if you keep harping on your lack of understanding and blaming me for it, buddy.

LOL. You think that's what I said? Talk about a lack of understanding, buddy. I'm using plain language and you still got it wrong.
最后由 Macdallan 编辑于; 2024 年 12 月 17 日 下午 5:51
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