Reynauld and Dismas?

[MankarCamoran36]

Thoughts

[Holografix]

overrated, and no big deal. aside from the achievement to keep them in the roster, i dismiss both.

[Cris]

Dismas is good because he goes with "quick reflexes" perk. And SPD and ACC are king in this game. So I would at least save DIsmas.

Although if you get a HWM with Luminus, then you don't care.

[RopeDrink]

overrated, and no big deal. aside from the achievement to keep them in the roster, i dismiss both.

Underrated - and anyone dismissing them early is doing themselves a huge disservice.

Rank-flexible HWM with Quick Reflexes and Stun Res, along with a completely harmless negative to lock in -- coupled with the most versatile support hero in the game (CRU) while your barracks is at its most empty, simultaneously being an anti-Undead hero at a time when you have to spam Ruins to progress -- complete with Warrior of Light for good measure.

Healing, soothing, damage, mobility, health, stun, riposte, torch raise, scouting, anti-ambush, the works, all catered for by two -- and when backed by VES/PD, they form one of the best generic catch-all teams in the game from the get-go. The only concern being Kleptomania, which you can resolve shortly after the preset tutorials.

There is nothing overrated about such a rock-solid start, and it is objectively better to keep them around. However, if you simply prefer not to, well, you can beat the game with Quad Antiquarians if you really want, so it's not like the game will noticeably punish their early demise or dismissal.

[Macdallan]

Honestly there's no reason not to keep both of them around for a while. I think RopeDrink fully covered the reasons why.

[Arroba]

Reynald is good , Dismas have aoe but he havent auto atack ...

[Nakos]

Reynauld has a disadvantage at first. You can:
A: Use him despite the disadvantage (because he also has some advantages too).
B: Hold off on using him until you can get the Sanitarium open and remove the disadvantage.

Either way, I always just keep both of them. A Crusader and a Highwayman are both solid classes able to fit into almost any party.

[Le Perv]

Idk why Reynauld needs to steal my loot. Very naughty. Dismas pretty chill always a true G.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by RopeDrink:

overrated, and no big deal. aside from the achievement to keep them in the roster, i dismiss both.

Underrated - and anyone dismissing them early is doing themselves a huge disservice.

Rank-flexible HWM with Quick Reflexes and Stun Res, along with a completely harmless negative to lock in -- coupled with the most versatile support hero in the game (CRU) while your barracks is at its most empty, simultaneously being an anti-Undead hero at a time when you have to spam Ruins to progress -- complete with Warrior of Light for good measure.

Healing, soothing, damage, mobility, health, stun, riposte, torch raise, scouting, anti-ambush, the works, all catered for by two -- and when backed by VES/PD, they form one of the best generic catch-all teams in the game from the get-go. The only concern being Kleptomania, which you can resolve shortly after the preset tutorials.

There is nothing overrated about such a rock-solid start, and it is objectively better to keep them around. However, if you simply prefer not to, well, you can beat the game with Quad Antiquarians if you really want, so it's not like the game will noticeably punish their early demise or dismissal.

but Crusader class isn't cool. generic shining knight in armor? come on
Highwayman, sneaky assassin thief, is more creative but still pales in coolness with the likes of Grave Robber or Abomination.

you're right about the stats making the start of the game easier, but i wanna build the teams i like, not let the game choose the characters i play with. My favorite character is the Occultist -- red tentacles ftw

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Holografix:

but Crusader class isn't cool. generic shining knight in armor? come on

That's called an opinion. Anyone could say that of any class in the game. I'll give you a few examples.

But the Highwayman class isn't cool. Generic bandit with a blade and a pistol? Come on.

But the Vestal class isn't cool. Generic cleric with a mace? Come on.

But the Man-at-Arms isn't cool. Generic fighter with a shield? Come on.

See?

Originally posted by Holografix:

Highwayman, sneaky assassin thief, is more creative but still pales in coolness with the likes of Grave Robber or Abomination.

you're right about the stats making the start of the game easier, but i wanna build the teams i like, not let the game choose the characters i play with. My favorite character is the Occultist -- red tentacles ftw

To me the Highwayman isn't a sneaky assassin-thief at all. That class hasn't got even one single sneaky ability, uses loud pistols, doesn't come across as an assassin at all. He's a bandit, a thug, a robber.

The Grave Robber is probably the closest thing to a sneaky thief in the game. Uses knives, poison darts (blight DOT), and actually has a stealth ability.

As for assassin? I would say either the Jester because of the Finale ability and/or the bounty hunter for rather... obvious reasons.

One of the best things about this game is that you can build whatever teams you want over time, can pick the classes you like to play, and as RopeDrink said you can even run around with four of the same class if you want - so go ahead, make a 4-stack of Occultists and have fun with it.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Originally posted by Holografix:

but Crusader class isn't cool. generic shining knight in armor? come on

That's called an opinion.

Originally posted by Holografix:

Highwayman, sneaky assassin thief, is more creative but still pales in coolness with the likes of Grave Robber or Abomination.

you're right about the stats making the start of the game easier, but i wanna build the teams i like, not let the game choose the characters i play with. My favorite character is the Occultist -- red tentacles ftw

To me, That's called an opinion.

great. thx for the info

[Skinny Pete]

Originally posted by Holografix:

overrated, and no big deal. aside from the achievement to keep them in the roster, i dismiss both.

That's a really bad and dumb idea since Reynauld has every skill including stress relief you otherwise don't start out with, and Dismas has the Riposte skill that you need if you want to make Antiquarian useful, the main character you need to farm gold in the early game.

My opinion is you suck at the game.

[RopeDrink]

Crusader class isn't cool
Highwayman (...) still pales in coolness

Coolness has no bearing on the fact you are objectively better off keeping Reynauld & Dismas at the start and that they are very much underrated, not overrated -- but yes, if you merely prefer X instead of Y, then everyone is free to disband who they wish, benefits be damned.

generic shining knight in armor?

Ironic considering his lore. Apart from a traditional appearance (which can be re-coloured or skinned if desired), Reynauld - the cold, zealous, conquering crusader with a lust for killing and thievery - is miles from being a shining knight by any stretch of the imagination -- and as for playstyle, being a whole team rolled into one slot makes him one of (if not 'the') most versatile heroes in the roster, capable of fitting into the vast majority of compositions with ease.

To me, in this game of comps and gap-covering, that makes him one of the coolest characters in the roster, but again, we all value such things very differently, and it has little bearing on what was said earlier.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/262060/discussions/0/583876246978456877/#c583876246978478142

Highwayman, sneaky assassin thief

Highwayman is a brutal thug, burglar, daylight robber (etc), not an assassin. When you round up all heroes close to the assassin archetype, he is one of the meatiest (healthiest) options, shooting Lovecraftian horrors in the face with an infinite supply of flintlocks or bleeding foes dry with a blade.

He is one of only two heroes with Riposte in the game, bleed/mark synergy, two-way mobility, flexible ranges with good damage all-round, good health, good camping skills (etc). Slap him with heroes like Reynauld (CRU) and you've got practically everything you need for success while still having two slots to spare.

Again, considering how the game works and what Reynauld and Dismas start with, you are better off keeping them with you - the only legitimate kicker being Klepto, which you can resolve shortly after the preset tutorials. The rest boils down to subjective takes about coolness, which only matter to each individual.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by RopeDrink:

Crusader class isn't cool
Highwayman (...) still pales in coolness

Coolness has no bearing on the fact you are objectively better off.

yah, the word 'objectivity' is a superlative here. i suspect you're posting for others rather than me because i don't know who you're trying to convince.

it's just a game buddy. i don't find crusader class cool, and that's ok.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by Skinny Pete:

Originally posted by Holografix:

overrated, and no big deal. aside from the achievement to keep them in the roster, i dismiss both.

That's a really bad and dumb idea since Reynauld has every skill including stress relief you otherwise don't start out with, and Dismas has the Riposte skill that you need if you want to make Antiquarian useful, the main character you need to farm gold in the early game.

My opinion is you suck at the game.

ok.

[lawjax]

My thoughts are that Reynauld and Dismas both deserve this place (the Hamlet) as much as any other poor soul, and so I string them along because Hell itself would be lonely when absent of either's company.