I was wondering if a DEV could answer this...

[pwnslice]

Hey, I'm just curious as to why there is no classic Wizard class. Arcane missles....polymorpht...magic weapon...etc?

Just really curious seems like that would be one of the first classes you guys would have thought of so just wondering why its not in the game.

Would be so sweet!!! :) :)

[wusch]

Well, Darkest Dungeon has a dark low Fantasy setting, so there is no classic wizard, the occultist is the closest you can get to it. That's why a party consisting of Crusader, Vestal, Highwayman and Occultist is called "Holy Quaternity" by the game.

[pwnslice]

Well ....there are 2 warriors....2 rogues...1 cleric...a bard....a warlock (the occultist) but no wizard :(

[h0b0king]

You'll note however that none of the warriors and such are really within the fantasy archetypes - the 'bard' is a bloodythirst madman in a stolen fool's motley, the highwayman a murderous highbinder. Even the most cliched of the vanilla fantasy archetypes used are subverted in a few ways - the crusader and vestal (who appear to have been some of the earliest heroes - before DD's vaguely early modern feel really jelled) are subverted in several ways, principally by being rather unwholesome people (something that's revealled when they get afflicted).

Darkest Dungeon doesn't have a bland beardy Gandalf wizard for the same reason - it doesn't fit the designers' aesthetics. I for one am glad of this. On a more canon level it appears that magic in the Darkest Dungeon world comes from two sources a. "The Light" - the vestal's mildly oppressive religion and b. Bad tenatacle things - where the occultist unwisely dabbles and which the cultists have given themselves over to body and soul. Seems unlikely that there's a fluffy source for beardy wizard magic in that simple binary.

[pwnslice]

Right, it would be a DARK COOL wizard. Just...with wizard spells instead of warlock spells

[pwnslice]

There is a Cleric but not a wizard....like come on :(

[Pixel Peeper]

The game is meant to have a low fantasy, almost Lovecraftian feel to it. Magic is supposed to be weird, creepy, and hidden.

Wizards flying around, throwing giant balls of fire and bolts of arcane energy everywhere? That's something you'd see in Dungeons and Dragons, a shameless fantasy superhero system. Highly inappropriate here.

I'll agree that clergy casually using massive, flashy healing spells is a glaring exception to the game's atmosphere.

But that's no reason to damage it any further.

[pwnslice]

NO way dude. The atmosphere is amazing and all the characters fit fine into it. I'm just saying a dirty old wizard that has weak fealing spells like a level one wizard in D and D. magic missles...some mage armor....maybe bonking someone with your staff. I think it would fit extremely well. I'm not talking about a Wild T15 Diablo 3 wizard blasting around you know what i mean? I think a dirty old gandalf would just absolutely make my day in this game. And that role isn't filled yet. Would be cool as F

[pwnslice]

he could have a pet owl....magic missles....owl spells and bonking with staff. OMG :)

[pwnslice]

Also in my opinion...none of the characters are dark at all...the setting is dark and the enemies are dark but honestly the player characters just look dirty, tired, and angry

[wusch]

Well, take a look at the comics on the homepage of darkest dungeon, they show the backgrounds of a few of the characters (more comics are comming) and they all have a dark past, some more then others but nobody of them comes from a happy background.

[pwnslice]

oh gotcha

[Pixel Peeper]

Originally posted by wusch:

Well, take a look at the comics on the homepage of darkest dungeon, they show the backgrounds of a few of the characters (more comics are comming) and they all have a dark past, some more then others but nobody of them comes from a happy background.

Yep.

The Man-at-Arms was on the losing side of a war. He tried his very best, but everyone he was supposed to protect died.

The Arbalest's parents were murdered by an angry mob when she was very, very young. She was left homeless, her weapon her sole possession.

The Vestal was abused as a child.

The Antiquarian is implied to have sacrified a girl chained to an altar. Not sure why exactly.

Dismas murdered a mother who was trying to protect her child, and very likely murdered the child too.

No wonder they have all these mental issues.

The Grave Robber is possibly the happiest story. She was unhappily married to some rich ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who left her in a pile of debts when he died... she finally chose freedom when she abandoned her old life, robbing her dead husband's grave as her first act.

[Arrrtyom]

Not the same setting, there's nothing much to be done about this unless they want to throw away their world. Wizards generally belong to high fantasy stuff. The magic in this game comes from stuff like cthulhu and whatever god the vestal prays to.

[Sir Francis]

Originally posted by Tripoteur Ventripotent:

The Antiquarian is implied to have sacrified a girl chained to an altar. Not sure why exactly.


The Grave Robber is possibly the happiest story. She was unhappily married to some rich ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who left her in a pile of debts when he died... she finally chose freedom when she abandoned her old life, robbing her dead husband's grave as her first act.

In my understanding she saved the girl in the comic after serving her master, that warlock for too long, no idea about the light at the end though, its rather untypical for a "dark" sacrifice.
Shes just not related in any other way than the censer to some evil-demon-powers, she gained no real dark power or smth.... Someone has some explaining to do.

The graverobber could also have been a lover of the Ancestor, which he abandoned for his work.
Feeling betrayed she decides to go and steal from his remaining riches, which shes doing all the time tbh. That way its more likely that there are multiple GRs in the same location, looking for goods to grab...

[Pixel Peeper]

I don't know, in the last panel of the comic the light could be anything, but it's got to be something, and when things happen in response to ritual sacrifices to ancient evils being performed, these things are usually bad. Moreover, the Antiquarian is standing over the girl with her kukri raised, which is also hard to explain otherwise.

I read somewhere that she was influenced by the censer and went on to perform the sacrifice herself, but that's a lot more than one can deduce from the comic alone and so I'm assuming it's pure conjecture at this point.

Granted, it could be anything. Maybe the cultist's death summoned the thing, which consumed the girl in front of the Antiquarian, which is why she has her weapon raised.

I doubt the Grave Robber is the Ancestor's lover. There is no reason to think that she is not the wife; it would make no sense for her to be walking in the mansion after the guy's death and be concerned about piling debts if she's not the wife. Besides, the portrait doesn't look like him, and a clear link is established between the husband's rings and the nearby mausoleum, implying that he was buried there.

That's the weird thing with having multiple characters of the same class in this game... characters don't look unique. There are multiple Grave Robbers running around, all wearing the same hat and clothes all frayed in the exact same places and, apparently, the exact same mark above their lips. What an incredible coincidence.

We have to assume that the Grave Robber, as she is pictured in game, is a specific one and that the comics refer to this "canon" member of the class.