Abomination completely crippled for Endless

[Skinny Pete]

I know this is just one of the battle limited skills that are all completely hosed, but Abomination has it particularly badly because his main combat skill is transformation, and yes, if you transform once, you either stay that way the entire battle or never get to do it again.

How is this possibly not completely broken? It renders the character absolutely useless.

Maybe I'm the only person who ever took Abomination into endless since the change because he's absolutely terrible there, but seriously, he wasn't bad enough already? You had to completely cripple him?

It can't even be called a nerfing. This broken change is just an absolute utter punking of all battle buff skills. For some reason, the Jester can still infi-spam his ballad, but every other character with such a skill is completely screwed.

There is absolutely no reason for ♥♥♥'s transformation skill to be limited this way, to the point of complete uselessness, rendering the character absolutely and utterly unusable, when the stress penalties by themselves already make this character problematic at best for this mode.

Even changes such as to Leper's Revenge arguably make some sense, as you can at least swap out Revenge for some other skill between waves, only break it out for the boss, or other mitigation strategies to work around the nerf.

This, though, is ♥♥♥'s core damage skill. The character is hopeless without it, which really sucks because otherwise, his Rake skill would be pretty fun to use in endless.

[Sir Francis]

Uhm, the patch notes specifically stated that the abom would get the only exception for this change... Im surprised that isnt the case

[Skinny Pete]

Originally posted by 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔫𝔠𝔦𝔰:

Uhm, the patch notes specifically stated that the abom would get the only exception for this change... Im surprised that isnt the case

I am too. But after I transformed back, the skill was greyed out. Maybe it restores between waves, in which case it wouldn't be as staggeringly bad, but it would still be fairly bad and good enough cause never to bring the character (not that he was good at all pre-nerf and certainly did not need to be nerfed further).

(By "waves" I mean the incremental notches on the progress bar, not the end of a series of waves where you get a boss. I only got to the end of the first when it was clear this party was not going to succeed and forgot to specifically check at the checkpoint.)

[Sir Francis]

It would be extremely bad to transform more than absolutely necessary (once per battle) because of the stress it inflicts. Stress always will be the real killer in endless.
IMO to be able to keep the benefits of a transformation for a very long time with only the stress of one transformation makes this skill better, not worse overall.

[Skinny Pete]

Originally posted by 𝔉𝔯𝔞𝔫𝔠𝔦𝔰:

It would be extremely bad to transform more than absolutely necessary (once per battle) because of the stress it inflicts. Stress always will be the real killer in endless.
IMO to be able to keep the benefits of a transformation for a very long time with only the stress of one transformation makes this skill better, not worse overall.

You take 6 stress every round while transformed, though. So it's not something you can keep on all the time. The stress to the party is comparatively minor and can be easily handled even if you don't reduce it with Restraining Padlock.

[orian34]

I don't really get what you're saying, abomination is a mainstay for me in the endless harvest?

[Artemis ❤]

abomination will refresh every tick (yellow mark on the progress bar), but within battle you only get the two uses; once into the monster form and once to turn human again, after that you're locked in. that said, I still found him to be a pretty poor endless pick even when he can hulk out every tick instead of once every wave like leper