good teams for fulminating prophet, pls?

[.VM8RA]

Ok so I'm gonna do my first boss in this tier.

I haven't fought a prophet since 2016, so I'm not 100% on what to do here.

I'm pretty sure you gotta smash the pews, or have ways to hit him in row 4.

so I'm thinking I can get away with hellion and hound master top damage him.

Thing is that rubble move, do I need a high prot character like the man at arms to guard when the rubble happens? I can't remember if this is what I did last time, and I don't wanna walk into this and potentially loose some of my best guys and potentially trinkets.

What kind of parties are best for this level prophet, please? and will I need to gyard against rubble, or can I just heal through it or something with enough HP?

[Dreadnought]

not playing DD for some time now but i remenber the Ocultist and Leper (me thinks) had 1 skill that reduced dmg done and stack up 3 times.

my 2 cents for now

[.VM8RA]

Originally posted by Dreadnought:

not playing DD for some time now but i remenber the Ocultist and Leper (me thinks) had 1 skill that reduced dmg done and stack up 3 times.

my 2 cents for now

yeah they both can debuff him. I know the Occ can debuff his rubble move. leper can easy smash the pews as well if you wanted.

reckon I will take Occ/Grave/HM/Hell or something. quite a bit of debuff potential and can all hit the back row as well.

[VisionofFire]

Honestly just look up the prophet's stats on the wiki.

The easiest way to deal with rubble is with a guard character. Rubble's accuracy is only 89% on veteran, so you only need about 84 dodge to hit the effective dodge cap, Houndmaster fits the bill here. Do be aware two pieces of rubble can drop though. Man at arms has worse dodge, but his guard only needs to be cast every other round, or you can just continually cast guard to double stack the prot buff. Just be aware that Man at Arms is far more likely to get tagged by Eye on You, which if it stuns will cancel his guard. Man-at-Arms also makes your whole team more dodgy (Bolster + tactics), which means fulminate/eye on you are far less likely to land. Feel free to bring both though.

GR that's doing fade -> lunge will probably also be at the cap too, especially if you pop toxin trickery. Only thing you need to be careful of is if your party moves around a lot, you don't accidentally move an unguarded hero beneath rubble.

Besides guards or high dodge characters, you can either stack prot and just face tank the rubble, or use a damage reduction debuff skill like Leper's intimidate to reduce rubble damage to reasonable levels. If the Prophet is failing to connect with damage or doing insignificant amounts of damage, you have all the time in the world to just blow up the pews. Do be aware if you choose to go with the face tank route, stress will start to pile up from Eye on You.

Honestly at Veteran, the Prophet doesn't really threaten much, 15-29 won't immediately put a hero at death's door to be killed by a blight proc, so I value a setup that lets you break all the pews.

[PalmTree]

Vestal/Highwayman/Houndmaster/Hellion

Get your vestal's healing and speed as high as they can get, and spam AoE heals during the fight to pull everyone off death's door at once if too many people get hit by rubble. She should also have Judgement so she can deal a bit of damage when she isn't healing.

HWM and HM can have their positions swapped if you want, but I recommend having HWM in the back at first so you can use Duelist's Advance to get him up to rank 2 and set up riposte. One of the attacks hits the whole party and riposte can be abused. Just make sure he has Pistol Shot to hit the back.

HM should Ideally have Target Whistle to mark the prophet and maximize his damage output. Spamming Hound's Rush can get a small amount of bleed going and with the Mark bonus and the bonus from dog treats he should be doing a lot of damage.

Hellion is here for one reason: Iron Swan. She can hit the 4th rank for full damage with it, so she can deal massive amounts of damage in a very short amount of time. Prophet also has no shuffle, so it's safe to use her Battle Trance camping skill (+25% damage in position 1, -25% damage when not in position 1).

Just keep in mind: this party is meant to shred though him in a very short amount of time. If you want the extra loot from the pews, you'll need a party with more longevity. I designed this one for just dealing massive bursts of damage really quickly, but a battle with the idea of getting the loot would likely need a Man-at-arms like you said. Just remember that the Rubble can target two heroes at once, so if he targets both your MaA and the person he's guarding the guard will fail.

You may also want Antivenom, as he has a party blight, but it's only 1 damage a round over 3 rounds. Don't bring them if you don't think you need them, but you may need them to stop the blight from killing guys on death's door before you can heal them.

Also: Avoid the plague doctor for this battle. Her blights can't affect the pews at all, and the prophet has extreme blight res. Her incision attack also won't be able to reach him and the relatively weak damage from it will be useless against the pews.

[Kasiornis]

Did this fight with Vestal-Grave Robber-ShieldBreaker-ManAtArms. Basically MAA guards against rubble, SB and GR constantly damaging him and Vestal heals the incoming damage.

[VisionofFire]

@PalmTree:
Prophet doesn't have a damage debuff afaik.
Might need to double check your info.

[PalmTree]

Originally posted by VisionOfFire:

@PalmTree:
Prophet doesn't have a damage debuff afaik.
Might need to double check your info.

My bad, thought Eye on You was a debuff. Changed it in my post. Must have been from my hellion debuffing herself.

[.VM8RA]

I did it with the Occ/GR/HM/Hell.

Was doing tons of damage to him so was over quite fast. I got a 60 damage crit from my hellion at one point due to her camping skills. (hellion is definitely my favourite base character)

I stopped paying attention for a second and my Occ was put on deaths door by the rubble.

Was fine though as could kill him before he could hurt her again (and yeah I have a female Occ skin with a cat, ha ha)

[Skinny Pete]

Just have a Leper up front and spam Intimidate at him over and over. His major attack (Rubble of Ruin) will be completely ineffectual.

You can also have OCC and have OCC spam Weakening Curse at him for even more ridiculous weakening and the occasional heal if you take damage before the debuffs stack. Consider debuff trinkets though I've never really needed them.

Either MAA or HM (or both) are another good addition as they can guard anyone who somehow, despite this, still catches a big crit.

I've often done something like VES-OCC-MAA-LEP for redundant healing, super debuffing, and the MAA can guard, or just bash the front pew until it's gone, then either keep bashing pews or start bashing the Prophet himself if the fight, somehow, against all odds, still turns dicey.

[.VM8RA]

Originally posted by Skinny Pete:

Just have a Leper up front and spam Intimidate at him over and over. His major attack (Rubble of Ruin) will be completely ineffectual.

You can also have OCC and have OCC spam Weakening Curse at him for even more ridiculous weakening and the occasional heal if you take damage before the debuffs stack. Consider debuff trinkets though I've never really needed them.

Either MAA or HM (or both) are another good addition as they can guard anyone who somehow, despite this, still catches a big crit.

I've often done something like VES-OCC-MAA-LEP for redundant healing, super debuffing, and the MAA can guard, or just bash the front pew until it's gone, then either keep bashing pews or start bashing the Prophet himself if the fight, somehow, against all odds, still turns dicey.

thanks. that party sounds good. will try it next time i fight him.

[Ralph]

I just try to damage rush/mark the prophet. Arb/Occ/Hound/Hellion is probably what I'd run. All 4 can hit the backline and we have one marker and two mark damage heroes. Hellion would have adrenaline surge, arbalest would have patch up, occultist would have reconstruction, and houndmaster would have lick wounds, so that if the rubble hits them hard they can easily sustain themselves.

[.VM8RA]

Originally posted by Ralph:

I just try to damage rush/mark the prophet. Arb/Occ/Hound/Hellion is probably what I'd run. All 4 can hit the backline and we have one marker and two mark damage heroes. Hellion would have adrenaline surge, arbalest would have patch up, occultist would have reconstruction, and houndmaster would have lick wounds, so that if the rubble hits them hard they can easily sustain themselves.

thanks. I went occ/gr/hm/hell. Killed him pretty fast with dots, mark, high damage/crits from hellion etc.

nearly lost my occ though due to not paying proper attention to the rubble.

[K E N N I]

Just smorc him. Rank 1 Hellion, heroes that can hit rank 4 in other postions. Go face, EZ game EZ life

[Ralph]

Originally posted by VM8RA:

Originally posted by Ralph:

I just try to damage rush/mark the prophet. Arb/Occ/Hound/Hellion is probably what I'd run. All 4 can hit the backline and we have one marker and two mark damage heroes. Hellion would have adrenaline surge, arbalest would have patch up, occultist would have reconstruction, and houndmaster would have lick wounds, so that if the rubble hits them hard they can easily sustain themselves.

thanks. I went occ/gr/hm/hell. Killed him pretty fast with dots, mark, high damage/crits from hellion etc.

nearly lost my occ though due to not paying proper attention to the rubble.

You won't be losing anyone against the prophet unless they're still on death's door after the rubble hits. Prolonged fights make your team eat more damage than they can heal back too cause rubble has a chance to hit two targets, all of this is why I was recommending a self-sustain/backline damage comp.
Grave Robber has her place here cause she can remove the blight from one of his attacks while also hitting for some good damage, but the reason I was recommending Arbalest was because of the Patch Up skin being enough to sustain you through death's door against the prophet, also 80% mark damage bonus on the default attack.

[Skinny Pete]

Originally posted by Ralph:

nearly lost my occ though due to not paying proper attention to the rubble.

You won't be losing anyone against the prophet unless they're still on death's door after the rubble hits.[/quote]

The mechanism of getting killed by the Prophet is usually getting hit by Fulminate and DOTted, then getting DD'ed by Rubble of Ruin, and then, before you can heal OR apply antivenom (just one will save you), getting hit by DOT damage and failing a DD check.

Rather less frequently you'll get hit by an unlucky Eye on You when Prophet gets super lucky on an initiative roll while you whiff yours. You have to be practically cursed to get hit by the DOT and THEN by an early Prophet attack.

None of this should happen though with a debuff spam regime, redundant healing or, even better, both. Rubble of Ruin becomes Rubble of LOL.