Favorite of The Narrator Lines, Anyone?

[The Ringmaster]

The two that come to mind for me are

A) *When you don't have a shovel* "Without tools of iron they must rely on flesh and indefatigable purpose"

and my personal favorite

B) *Narration for the "Absent Abbot" town even* "Woe to the sheep, for does the absence of the shepherd not invite the wolves?"

[Tingsfrid]

I'm still fond of "Monstrous size has no intrinsic merit – unless inordinate exsanguination be considered a virtue". Pure joy for anyone who likes language or dabbles in pseudo-intellectual pursuits (guilty on both counts).

[vitez_vaddiszno]

Originally posted by PalmTree:

Originally posted by vitez_vaddiszno:

Think of the Fanatic as an armed robber that has killed a person or two, and the Ancestor as a third-world warlord that genocided a city or two.

You... you do realize there are over a dozen corpses tied to pyres in the Fanatic's background, right? He's killed way more than just a couple people.

Of course I do, I currently have 488 hours in the game (all vanilla, as of yet). That's why what I said is called a parallel. The Fanatic's antics are to the Ancestor's legacy, as an armed robber to a genocidal warlord. That's the difference in magnitudes between the two of them. In fact, it might even be bigger. If you completed the game, then you must have known this.

[Nara]

Yes, the Ancestor is indeed the prodigal sinner of the game. As they say, it takes one to know one. His quotes about stuff like the Fanatic is likely born out of his own mistakes.
"In time, you will know the tragic extent of my failings."
There is no greater wisdom than the one spawned out of your own mistakes. As for the Fanatic, he doesn't even wait for the curse to manifest itself. But unlike an exterminatus from 40k, there is a better way for him to help everyone - kill the leaders of the crimson court.

We also know that the ability to cure the crimson curse is within the Sanitoriums ability, they just lack the right understanding, an understanding he could have given them because he literally has the cure yet won't share it so it can bump science to where it needs to be. Logical and sound solutions are being squashed under self righteous zeal. That is the point the Ancestor is trying to make.

[Skinny Pete]

Originally posted by SWEDr Brobotnik:

Yes, the Ancestor is indeed the prodigal sinner of the game. As they say, it takes one to know one. His quotes about stuff like the Fanatic is likely born out of his own mistakes.
"In time, you will know the tragic extent of my failings."
There is no greater wisdom than the one spawned out of your own mistakes. As for the Fanatic, he doesn't even wait for the curse to manifest itself. But unlike an exterminatus from 40k, there is a better way for him to help everyone - kill the leaders of the crimson court.

And this is the source of why the Fanatic is an enormous douchebag. He is trying to kill the only people in the game who have the ability to actually stop the curse. His motivations, unlike the Ancestor's, are actually good, but he really is as much of a blind, senseless animal as the Ancestor says.

[Iron Ben]

"Tortured and reclusive... this man is more dangerous than he seems..."--->Abom

And

"An ambush! Send these vermin a message: the rightful owner has returned, and their kind is no longer welcome."--->2nd battle intro

[Shindragan]

The Blood PUMPS, the Limbs OBEY!

[ZT Xperimentor]

When a stress character becomes stalwart, so hopeful with a twinge of inevitability. "Many fall in the face of chaos, but not this one! Not today . . . "

When a character drops to death's door, it's enjoyably unnerving how excited he says, "Death waits for the slightest lapse in concentration."

All of the boss introductions, but particularly his despisal of the fanatic. "Madness can take many forms, but none so contemptible as man's belief in a mythology of his own making!"

When you fail a quest, it's a humbling reminder for life. "You cannot learn a thing, you think you know."

Then there's a kill by blight or bleeding, his malicious calm is energetic yet uncomfortably cold. "Great is the weapon that cuts on its own!"

The ponderous way he comments on killing a large foe, "Monstrous size has no intrinsic merit, unless inordinate exsanguination be considered a virtue."

When he comments about dismissing a party member, the disappointed lament when he says, "Another soul battered and broken, cast aside like a spent torch."

[vitez_vaddiszno]

Originally posted by SWEDr Brobotnik:

Yes, the Ancestor is indeed the prodigal sinner of the game. As they say, it takes one to know one. His quotes about stuff like the Fanatic is likely born out of his own mistakes.
"In time, you will know the tragic extent of my failings."
There is no greater wisdom than the one spawned out of your own mistakes. As for the Fanatic, he doesn't even wait for the curse to manifest itself. But unlike an exterminatus from 40k, there is a better way for him to help everyone - kill the leaders of the crimson court.

We also know that the ability to cure the crimson curse is within the Sanitoriums ability, they just lack the right understanding, an understanding he could have given them because he literally has the cure yet won't share it so it can bump science to where it needs to be. Logical and sound solutions are being squashed under self righteous zeal. That is the point the Ancestor is trying to make.

Okay, it seems you haven't completed the main quest either, or else you would not say what you said in your first paragraph. Which is why I have just the right reply for you but I won't say it because I don't want to spoil anything.

For your second paragraph, there are different ways to cure a disease. I think the Fanatic and the Sanitarium use a different method; he's using some dangerous and fringe method to do a garage job because he has no other option, and it only produces very few bottles (note that you never find more than 1 or 2 bottles on him); or it could be the case that he isn't actually brewing it, just obtained a few bottles from Light knows where, and keeps it precious on himself. It actually has Church seals on it, but he had been excommunicated, so the only way the seals can be there if those bottles are remnants.
All the while the nurses in the Sanitarium have analyzed the Countess' corpse and discovered the way to eliminate it at the core cause. This is more advanced and capable to be mass-produced, which is what they do.

I base my theory on the event where a random charlatan brews a tonic from Comet fragments that is capable of curing the disease. This makes it at least 2 methods, and the Fanatic's Cure is blue, not red as you'd expect if it was created out of vampire blood. Not to mention the Fanatic never kills the Countess. Anyways, the Fanatic 100% doesn't have enough Cure for all the myriad vampires in the Courtyard and the Hamlet, and how could he make sure that the vampires he's trying to cure aren't dead and loving it (excuse the reference)? For all he knows, the moment he goes in, offering the Cure, they swarm up on him and suck him dry.

Yeah the Fanatic is a villain, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying him killing vampires instead of trying to cure him isn't complete insanity. It's just halfway there.

Once again, sorry for derailing the thread.

[Skinny Pete]

Originally posted by ZT Xperimentor:

All of the boss introductions, but particularly his despisal of the fanatic. "Madness can take many forms, but none so contemptible as man's belief in a mythology of his own making!"

How the Ancestor's statements throughout the game slowly let you in on more and more of his character is one of the best parts of it, as far as storytelling goes. When you realize exactly how much the ♥♥♥♥ he's talking about the Fanatic is actually about himself is part of that.

Originally posted by vitez_vaddiszno:

It actually has Church seals on it, but he had been excommunicated, so the only way the seals can be there if those bottles are remnants.

And this also means the Church itself had the Cure too and for some reason never let anyone else know.

Originally posted by vitez_vaddiszno:

I base my theory on the event where a random charlatan brews a tonic from Comet fragments that is capable of curing the disease. This makes it at least 2 methods, and the Fanatic's Cure is blue, not red as you'd expect if it was created out of vampire blood.

Also, just from a strategy point of view, that tonic is the most cost effective way of curing it, so always have 30 shards stocked away if, for whatever reason, you want to cure the Curse on your whole roster without actually finishing off any bosses.

I don't like killing the Countess because a) it's a real pain in the ass and b) what if I actually want to have the Fanatic around for whatever reason? So I usually just ignore the CC bosses and let infection creep up without doing anything about it, other than maybe throwing some Holy Water on some character I'd rather not get infected.

The CC critters on high infection are just a lot more predictable and easier, and I'd argue in some dungeons, like Weald, that Champion level Bloodsuckers are actually ridiculously easy compared to the normal mobs there.

To be very specific, I prefer any Bloodsucker encounter that is possible to anything involving Hateful Virago and a Giant, no matter what the third is.

[Nara]

I am fully aware of the game ending. I believe understanding him requires a bit of philosophical reflection. He seems very much aware of the atrocities he have committed, and in some cases he seems to consider them necessary but not something he wanted to do regardless.
It's possible to be cognizant of your wrongdoings, and yet, they may have led you to a point where you don't see a way to turn back. You may have become something you can never break with. While he is by no means forgiven or innocent, he's not flat out evil either.

Let's also be mindful of the fact that his story will go on in the second game. We don't know hius full intentions yet. He seems to have embraced the end and scoff at anyone who thinks it can be avoided. The final fight seems to be more in anger than evil or necessity. In the end, victory or defeat makes no difference in his mind.

[vitez_vaddiszno]

Originally posted by SWEDr Brobotnik:

I am fully aware of the game ending. I believe understanding him requires a bit of philosophical reflection. He seems very much aware of the atrocities he have committed, and in some cases he seems to consider them necessary but not something he wanted to do regardless.
It's possible to be cognizant of your wrongdoings, and yet, they may have led you to a point where you don't see a way to turn back. You may have become something you can never break with. While he is by no means forgiven or innocent, he's not flat out evil either.

Let's also be mindful of the fact that his story will go on in the second game. We don't know hius full intentions yet. He seems to have embraced the end and scoff at anyone who thinks it can be avoided. The final fight seems to be more in anger than evil or necessity. In the end, victory or defeat makes no difference in his mind.

That's one way to see it - for me (and now this will be hard to spell out in a way to avoid spoilers) the ending meant that there had been some trickery involved in the description of events and his opinions of them in the time leading up to it.

[Skinny Pete]

Originally posted by SWEDr Brobotnik:

I am fully aware of the game ending. I believe understanding him requires a bit of philosophical reflection. He seems very much aware of the atrocities he have committed, and in some cases he seems to consider them necessary but not something he wanted to do regardless.
It's possible to be cognizant of your wrongdoings, and yet, they may have led you to a point where you don't see a way to turn back. You may have become something you can never break with. While he is by no means forgiven or innocent, he's not flat out evil either.

Let's also be mindful of the fact that his story will go on in the second game. We don't know hius full intentions yet. He seems to have embraced the end and scoff at anyone who thinks it can be avoided. The final fight seems to be more in anger than evil or necessity. In the end, victory or defeat makes no difference in his mind.

He's a complete ♥♥♥♥ and he did everything knowing exactly how bad it would get. If he's trying to fight against it now it's only because he wants to escape any personal consequences.

Or, more likely, he was actually just devoured by the eldritch horrors and the current projection of him is just a fake entity who is there to manipulate you.

And you're actually just going to become a projection of the Ancestor yourself, as we see at the end.

[Ohana]

Madness...our old friend...

[Reverse Guy]

I forgot what he says but when the enemy gets a crit on you and he says something along the lines of " the move that shook the party to it's core" I like that one

[Rider of Storms]

Originally posted by Reverse Guy:

I forgot what he says but when the enemy gets a crit on you and he says something along the lines of " the move that shook the party to it's core" I like that one

He has a few quotes, heres all of them for when you get crited by an enemy
How quickly the tide turns!
Mortality clarified in a single strike!
Grievous injury, palpable fear...
Such a terrible assault cannot be left unanswered!
Death waits for the slightest lapse in concentration.
Exposed to a killing blow!
Ringing ears, blurred vision - the end approaches...
Dazed, reeling, about to break...
Unnerved, unbalanced...
A dizzying blow to body and brain!