Are Assault Rifles even worth using?

[Demonic Goddess]

Their crit modifier still sucks compared to other guns, they're innaccurate as all hell, and they can all be outperformed by their Pistol counterparts. Plus since lasers (apparently) have a 3x crit modifier, there is absolutely no reason to use an Assault Rifle over a Blaster!

I was really hoping that this would be addressed in this game, because this was an issue in BL2. But just like Tiny Tina's changes to the story, it appears that the dev team looked at this issue and said "Lol nope."

[EllieCantAim]

♥♥♥♥ yeah my vladof is kickass

[Demonic Goddess]

Originally posted by läzənj:

♥♥♥♥ yeah my vladof is kickass

Vladof Pistols outdamage Vladof ARs

[EspiOne]

If you get a good one, keep it, yes, it BL2, I found a torgue AR and I just kept it and changed the level with gibbed. I have not played this game, but I am sure you are bound to find a great one with high damage and capacity.

[Demonic Goddess]

Originally posted by EspiOne:

If you get a good one, keep it, yes, it BL2, I found a torgue AR and I just kept it and changed the level with gibbed. I have not played this game, but I am sure you are bound to find a great one with high damage and capacity.

But Torgue Pistols out damage them!

Torgue pistols can even do twice the amount of damage with Double Penetrating!

[old Charlie]

you can find a worthwhile AR here and there but yeah, if you get a pistol by the same manufacturer with similar bonuses, the pistol will be better.
The only advantage is the magazine size. The disadvantages are a higher recoil, lower elemental chance/damage, lower damage overall and worse reload speed.

If you want the AR-feeling, go for a vladof sniper ;)

[Sentient Feline]

Cryo Shredifier + nisha rifle woman and fan the hammer = all of the crits with 110% exrta dmg
That one combo makes the ar worth while.

[Demonic Goddess]

Originally posted by Ichiru Kiryu:

Cryo Shredifier + nisha rifle woman and fan the hammer = all of the crits with 110% exrta dmg
That one combo makes the ar worth while.

You could easily just use the Fatale. It has more crit and more overall damage. Or a Beam weapon really because auto aim is a god send for those things ANd they too have a bigger crit bonus. Maliwan beams even deal increased damage the longer you hold down the trigger!

[Sentient Feline]

Originally posted by Ashton:

Originally posted by Ichiru Kiryu:

Cryo Shredifier + nisha rifle woman and fan the hammer = all of the crits with 110% exrta dmg
That one combo makes the ar worth while.

You could easily just use the Fatale. It has more crit and more overall damage. Or a Beam weapon really because auto aim is a god send for those things ANd they too have a bigger crit bonus. Maliwan beams even deal increased damage the longer you hold down the trigger!

Why would you even use the Fatale when the IVF is much better? does tombstone effect beams?

[Demonic Goddess]

Originally posted by Ichiru Kiryu:

Originally posted by Ashton:

You could easily just use the Fatale. It has more crit and more overall damage. Or a Beam weapon really because auto aim is a god send for those things ANd they too have a bigger crit bonus. Maliwan beams even deal increased damage the longer you hold down the trigger!

Why would you even use the Fatale when the IVF is much better? does tombstone effect beams?

Because the Fatale is always Cryo, which means it is easier to farm the variant you want, along with the fact that it is a hyperion gun (which is more accurate). Not even mentioning the crit bonus the Fatale gets, which escalates dramatically when enemies are frozen. The IVF is more suited for Jack/Claptrap, since Claptrap is very explosion based, and Jack has Just Compensation, which increases his Mag size and Grenade damage depending on how many grenades he has.

[GB EX]

Assault rifles being out-damaged by pistols in the BL games makes no sense to me...
While I know BL is hardly based on anything realistic, aren't assault rifles normally the standard in guns? I'm pretty sure, everywhere else, pistols are (on average) the lowest caliber guns. The only thing I can imagine is that all pistols in the BL universe are akin to Desert Eagles or other such high caliber, magnum'esque handguns.

[lpnlizard27]

Originally posted by GB-EX:

pistols are (on average) the lowest caliber guns.

Being an firearm enthusiath i can tell you, you are 100% wrong on pistols being smaller caliber, The standard military issue Assualt Rifle round is the .556 , AKA REM.223

The caliber of this bullet is actually about the same size as a .22 however the powder charge is much larger and muzzle velocity about 3 times higher than the pistol. 3000 + FPS

Pistols commonly range from 9mm up to, and some even exceeding, .50 Cal.

Pistols typically have a larger Caliber than most other carryable weapons

[Butters]

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

Being an firearm enthusiath

So in reality, are pistols more powerful than ARs? What advantages of AR over other weapons do you think that are not captured in this game?

[Hermes III]

The Scout Major Tom, and Hammer Buster II will kill anything

[lpnlizard27]

Originally posted by Butters:

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

Being an firearm enthusiath

So in reality, are pistols more powerful than ARs? What advantages of AR over other weapons do you think that are not captured in this game?

Not nessisarily more powerfull, judgeing the power of a gun is not like being in a game and seeing what has the bigger dmg number, pistols are typically used as last resort guns when the enemy is in close range and you dont have your Rifle.
AR's are short-to mid range bullet hoses designed to give suppressive fire and take out whatever you can in a short burst.

The "power" of these guns then is hard to say as they are both lethal at range and close quarters, the only difference is that one excells in close quarters situatiuons (pistol), where as in a tight or squalid building / urban situation an AR might become a hinderance as you cannot turn arround or search the sourroundings as effectivly.

Real world physics dictates that anything with a longer barrle with have better accuracy/ higher muzzle velocity, and just impact the target with a greater amount of dmg. Games have a long way to go in seriously copying the gas preasure physics of actual firearms.

**Let try not to combine real physics and borderlands anymore its just gona give me a headach to come up w everything thats not realistic in a game that has cartoon pallets**

[Butters]

Originally posted by lpnlizard27:

**Let try not to combine real physics and borderlands anymore its just gona give me a headach to come up w everything thats not realistic in a game that has cartoon pallets**

Thanks for the explanation.

The point is not about the game not realistic, but a major gun type lack of favor by most users. I find it ridiculous to see most supposedly badass vault hunters in BL2 holding a small piece of pistol (DPUH) running around.