Aurelia is a horrible character

[Meatpipe]

She has no personality other than that she's wealthy.
And she CONSTANTLY reminds you of that fact.
I'm one hour into the game and she has said she is wealthy FOUR times already.
"I'm MUCH too wealthy to die."
"I own a whole planet."
She's shoving the fact that she is wealthy down our throats.

[rcole_sooner]

When she was talking to Moxxie, in Moxxie's secret workshop, Aurelia says something like, "....I would cut my wrists with a diamond razor blade...". I was thinking Moxxie would say, "No one is stopping you.".

I hated the Jack character at first too, but he grew on me, so I'll give her through TVHM at least.

[Dzaka]

Originally posted by rcole_sooner:

When she was talking to Moxxie, in Moxxie's secret workshop, Aurelia says something like, "....I would cut my wrists with a diamond razor blade...". I was thinking Moxxie would say, "No one is stopping you.".

I hated the Jack character at first too, but he grew on me, so I'll give her through TVHM at least.

eh the jack character was always presented as a dude that got plastic surgery for money so he was always cool

[Sangvis]

Originally posted by Dzaka:

she's supposed to be a pompous rich ♥♥♥♥♥. she's created to be annoying just as much as claptrap was created to be annoying as all ♥♥♥♥ and gage was created to be a badass. and tina was created to be just pure awesome

Exactly, and I love her already, she's just so coldhearted that you just love to hate her, and that makes you love her - she reminds me of Cruella, I loved her too ;)

[Dzaka]

Originally posted by Sangvis:

Originally posted by Dzaka:

she's supposed to be a pompous rich ♥♥♥♥♥. she's created to be annoying just as much as claptrap was created to be annoying as all ♥♥♥♥ and gage was created to be a badass. and tina was created to be just pure awesome

Exactly, and I love her already, she's just so coldhearted that you just love to hate her, and that makes you love her - she reminds me of Cruella, I loved her too ;)

she reminds me just a little of bayonetta.. with even less ♥♥♥♥♥ to give

[Sangvis]

Originally posted by RegDunlop:

Cruella DeVille with a sniper rifle.

Heh I didn't see this post untill after I posted my first comment, but yes I totally agree, this is Cruella with a sniper :)

[db]

she wasnt a fan of jack killing the sientence the felt bad for felicity, shes not evil as hammerlock said in the trailer. but she is a bad person, she is not as bad as nisha

[Hyperchaotic]

Aurelia is cool, go jerking on your Gaige, byach

[Meatpipe]

See, when I said that I was joking on the first page of this, I never stopped joking.
I like this character, she's fun, and I quite like her dialogue.

[TurtlePrincip]

Originally posted by tas7284:

Some people don't seem to realize that this a game where you're playing as "villians" this time around. They're supposed to have unlikable qualities about them.

Note this isn't directed at you eFeM as you said you made this as a joke, but some people actually seem upset that the character is the way she is even though she's inspired by characters like Cruella DeVille. Characters that are meant to have unlikable traits, personalities, etc.

I apoligize if there are a couple of things that aren't mentioned conversation, I am copying and pasting one of my arguments from YouTube of someone who made a similar argument:

You...Are...Not...The...Bad Guy.
The game even starts out with Lilith asking why in the world they did what they did, and Athena talks about everything that happened. It starts out by immediately making you doubt how in the world a nice Jack turns into the murderous monster he is in the second game. The positive attitudes of Springs and Jack are supposed to make you feel a little more cheerful, and curious at how the brightness of Jack could possibly have a deep and upsetting subtext. The second game, even as Jack was ordering your deaths, consistently put on a light-hearted spin, until when Roland died. This game in its entirety is less of a part of the storyline, but more of an explanation of the events on how Jack went completely insane.
First, we have the very beginning of the story, in which Jack talks about how the soldiers are just massacring workers, and the later Jack wouldn't have cared. Then we skip a bit to the Merriff, where even though he had just betrayed and inadvertenly almost killed Jack, he shrugs it off. He doesn't show the true Jack we see from the second game until he kills the Merriff for trying to shoot him in the back. Then, we have the next sacrifice...Felicity. Even though he is putting her through hell, at least he has the reason for not copying her because of time a good one, but we are even more towards the later Jack. We then have a giant incident in the massacre of the scientists, where Jack is now so paranoid thta he will murder hard workers despite multiple other possibilities. We then have Zarpedon. Even as we hear Tungsteena's warning, Jack simply shootsmher, and we really see Jack. Finally, the last straw comes with the Jet (I forget the name, the one right before Tychos Ribs) where they know they can just pass by, but if you leave enemies alive, then they shoot you in the back. You can even judge how much insanity is in him from his increasingly violent responses to Tassiter. In the end, your hero isn't the bad guy. Nisha and Wilhelm were too convinced by Jack, and would do what he said. But you have to remember, that Jack is the Hero. Athena directly states this. Jack, a low level cog in Hyperion, is trying to save millions of people from death. It isn't until the end of the game, after facing betrayal after backstab, that Jack goes completely insane. He is blinded by what he believes is justice, combined with an aching for revenge against Moxie and Lillith, that leads to his downfall. Even in his last moments in the second game, he still goes on about how HE'S the hero, and that you're a filthy bandit. He is the hero, he's just been driven to such insanity that he becomes the villain.
Then we have Aurelia. Whilst Jack is going from peaceful to insane, Aurelia is going from cruel to comparitavely nice. We have her at the beginning, completely evil. Then as the story progresses, her statements go from horrible, and how Hammerlock describes her, to actually quite peaceful. Most notably after Felicity, in which she is notably less stuck-up, and then there's the Injured Lost Legion Soldier just before Tycho's Ribs. I do not know about ALL the characters, as I only play 3 enough to get that far, but each spares him. Aurelia tells Jack to bugger off. At the beginning of he game, Aurelia would have shot him with no hesitation. If not for Jack. Each of the characters notices Jack's change, and I believe that Aurelia had a comparitively large chNge of heart. Realizing that a peaceful person like Jack could get this bad, then what about her? She is so bad that her brother ended up sending a very angry ECHO message that was pretty much of how much he hates her. She realises that if he can get that bad, she can get much worse.
In the end, it isn't black & white. Life isn't black and white, it's only grey. This is supposed to give you perspective. Every side has two stories, and the end result may be he same, but this new perspective is upposed to give you...well...perspective. It is supposed to show that no one is what they seem. And personally, I side with Jack. He did horrible, inexcusable things, but, now the inexcusable has an excuse. He did horrible things, but he truly did think he was the hero of the story, even to the very end, and, to an extent, he was.

[trukr]

Originally posted by AlphaStrategizer:

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Say it with me, par-a-graph, USE them.

You are a bad guy IF you are Nisha or Wilhelm, if not no you are not.

Jack was bad at the start of Borderlands, not the psychopathic murderer he was in BL2 but not a good guy

Was Jack a hero, or did his needs just happen to align with the people on Elpis and Pandora, was he worried about saving people, or a phat vault?

He did not have time to copy, but he could have assured her that ASAP he would extract her and copy her, remember she had already been plugged in to other things and then removed.

RK5, the don't leave them alive thing.

Aurelia is a rich planet owning person who went to Pandora out of boredom. She was CEO with nothing to do. NOT the warm and fuzzy kind but she did show she was not in agreement with the things Jack did. Her brother is far from innocent, there were no threshers on Pandora, he illegally imported two from Elpis, named one Terry.

There are a few in Earth history that did monstrous things, who thought they were the good guy. Them thinking that did not make it so.

How many GOOD people trick others to do something dangerous because they are afraid to do it themselves? How many good guys take something from that and use it to build a city destroying weapon on a civilian space station that was only meant to be observing a planet?

Did you even pay attention to what Jack saw and said before Lilith did what she did? The images of what he did to Lilith in BL2, something that had not happened yet, and the Warrior? How about what he said when he saw these things, I think a bit too excited over death and destruction.

How about the end of Claptastic Voyage, Nisha and Wilhelm showed what they are like, they did the same when asked about spacing the scientist.

When Jack said "you didn't see what she did to her mother" I always suspected he killed her because she would not allow him to exploit her to charge the key.

Jack was a bad guy with a hero complex that learned to enjoy violence and murder.

[TurtlePrincip]

Point One: I was half asleep, on a couch, at 5 in the morning...cut me some slack.
Point Two: I have only put considerable time in the game into Athena, Claptrap, and Aurelia, so I would not know about Nisha or Wilhelm as much, and also, this was originally a response at what someone said in calling Aurelia the bad guy, and the explanation of Jack was meant to support the explanation of Aurelia.
Point Three: At the beginning of B1, Jack was not evil, he was manipulative. Granted, he did force his daughter to do things to put him in power, but he believed that all of these were necessary evils, and once he was in power he could save the world and the moon.
Point Four: The answer is both. At the beginning, Jack had a hero's complex, albeit one that instead of being easily manipulated, manipulates others. He wants to help people, but he believes that he needs to be in a position of power to be able to help those people, and he believes that he needs to break a few eggs to make an omelet. (See point Three.) Granted, the saving of the world and the control of the vault are intertwined, but the beginning of the game Jack would view it as a minor setback, and would save the world instead. The later game Jack, would not.
Point Five: He couldn't simply extract and copy her. She was a military AI, and then the Bosun reprogrammed her. I believe that she is a sentient robot, and the first real case of a more direct murder, but he couldn't simply do that. The Bosun reprogrammed her, meaning that now although she has the military AI in there, it is covered up by her emotions. This is most notably stated when she is upset at the killing of the scavs, and Jack realised that this could cause major problems. He then states that he only wants that which can help in a fight, because not only would Felicity's personality be a lack of an advantage, it would be a disadvantage combined with hesitation.
Point Six: I included this in the original...I suppose you could call it an essay. That makes me believe that you only identified the primary points of the "essay" and didn't read the rest of it, which offends me.
Point Seven: Another thing that I mentioned in the essay (See point 6), Aurelia is more then happy to murder anyone who gets in her way, or even if she gets bored. If you missed this, check the second half of the essay.
Point 8:They may have done monstrous things, but did they do so whilst simultaneously saving millions of people. Granted, the Vault and the people being saved had an effect on each other, but for that you should see Point 4.
Point 9: Even good people have manipulated others for the greater good, but you forget that Jack was more then willing to put himself in danger. He risked his own life to send you down to Elpis, and even if it was done out of Strategy rather then emotion, it doesn't change the fact that he did it. He was the one who was fighting by your side (albeit not doing much) while you marched into the Meriff's office. It was him who was fighting by your side when you faced down Zarpedon, which, he did a lot more, most notably being a shield that Zarpedon sometimes focuses on. He is more then willing to share in the danger if he believes that it's important.
Point 9 Part B: He was planning on getting anything into orbit over Pandora, the fact that it was a civilian space station was coincidental. It did not gain the power to destroy anything until Jack took a destructive force of nature, and harnessed it into a tool.
Part 10: Of course I was paying attention. Half the essay I made was about these things, which once more directs you to Point 6. He was only that way about death and destruction, once more, because he was forced to get that way. The only way to retain any semblance of sanity is to switch from dreading it to enjoying it, or else he would lose the little bit of sanity he had left.
Part 11: I have not bought the Claptastic Voyage.
Part 12: He did most likely kill her, but not because of the key. The key couldn't be charged until the Vault was open, and Control Core Angel was originally a way for Angel to manipulate the Vault Hunters, and the mother disapproved. Jack realised that it wouldn't work if he couldn't use Angel, so he most likely killed the mother, and justified it the same way he justified using Angel. In the end, it was Angel that killed her, albeit indirectly, and once more if Jack realised he killed his wife and it was all his fault, he would lose all sanity.
Part 13: Jack was a guy, not a bad guy, with Hero Complex, that was forced to enjoy violence and murder to avoid going insane.

[SlackerBoe]

Jack was a psychopath and a bad guy before the game even starts.

[Immo]

Originally posted by SlackerBoe:

Jack was a psychopath and a bad guy before the game even starts.

Totally agreed. He used the Angel to lure the original guys to do his dirty work and the recordings found in the Arid Nexus in BL2 quite prove it.

[Dzaka]

i'm sorry but Aurelia Hammerlock is a rich sociopathic ♥♥♥♥♥.. she is not a good person.. unlike her brother who views the beasts of pandora and elpis to be the most dangerous game to hunt. she views HUMANS as the most dangerous and most fun to hunt. she enslaves her party members as her minions. absorbing some of their stats.. SHE IS A BAD PERSON!!!

AND IT IS GLORIOUS!!!

[TurtlePrincip]

Originally posted by SlackerBoe:

Jack was a psychopath and a bad guy before the game even starts.

Originally posted by Immo:

Originally posted by SlackerBoe:

Jack was a psychopath and a bad guy before the game even starts.

Totally agreed. He used the Angel to lure the original guys to do his dirty work and the recordings found in the Arid Nexus in BL2 quite prove it.

Both of you, simply read point 3.

Originally posted by Dzaka:

i'm sorry but Aurelia Hammerlock is a rich sociopathic ♥♥♥♥♥.. she is not a good person.. unlike her brother who views the beasts of pandora and elpis to be the most dangerous game to hunt. she views HUMANS as the most dangerous and most fun to hunt. she enslaves her party members as her minions. absorbing some of their stats.. SHE IS A BAD PERSON!!!

AND IT IS GLORIOUS!!!

Aurelia does not prefer hunting humans. She enjoys hunting animals, and Hammerlock hates hunting.