I'm not trying to hate, but...

[YouGotOwned]

Why are there so many gay characters in this game? It feels like well over half the characters we encounter can't stop talking about their ex-boyfriends or girlfriends, and it feels like there was no need at all to add this information into the game, even if the characters are gay.

I'm not hating on gay people, in fact I don't care whether people are gay or not, but I just find it really weird how SO MANY of the characters in this game are homosexual, so much so to the point where it is becoming really annoying and ruins my personal immersion. I'm all for diversity in games, it's cool to have tons of people from different cultures, but this is the equivalent of having all white people in a game based in China, it just makes no sense. Around 2-3% of the world is gay (and even that may be a stretch), having over 50% of the characters in this game gay and just announcing it every time you meet them is in bad-taste.

It's almost as if one of the higher-ups at 2K was like "let's use this game to promote my own personal agenda," which you know what, honestly, I'm fine with, as people can promote their ideas in their games, but the extent to which this has been done is just ridiculous. The first character you meet, Janey, is gay, Hammerlock is gay, ahhh I'm just tired of all this being shoved down my throat.

[Potatochobit Lv3 pwrd Next Form]

these are current social issues facing Australia and New Zealand

[Harukage]

1. I feel you bro. I realy do.
2. Be ready to face a million SJWs who will come and bash you and your thread. Cause they cant see the differense between tolerance and agenda.

[Tokebec]

Because it's from 2k australia and everyone knows that most aussie's are Gay people :P lol :) srry was too easy :) :)

[d_r]

Hammerlock is gay???
(deleting game)
I spent hours with him in 'Big Hunt DLC", so thats why he was... ohhh....

[Harukage]

Originally posted by d_r:

Hammerlock is gay???
(deleting game)
I spent hours with him in 'Big Hunt DLC", so thats why he was... ohhh....

You had spent all that time with him, alone, in a remote wilderness, in a little hut on a tree... xD

[marigoldMoths]

well most people in almost every other game is straight so stop complaining

[Karakasa]

Only two characters are known to be gay in across all three games: Hammerlock (via outside sources, but still) and Springs. Only three named Bi people (Moxxi, Torgue via outside sources, and Axton because of a bug which they then decided to keep in.) There are NPC women who may also be bi/lesbian since they ask if Moxxi has talked about them but most of them don't even have names.

Otherwise everyone else is assumed straight unless stated otherwise (Roland and Lilith dating for example).

Edit: Also Tina might be either bi or lesbian, but she's also thirteen or so and only has a small crush on Maya, and I doubt they are really going to go anything into that unless she's aged up by 3.

[Kazooie]

It's because like 90% of the people in that game are male and 10% are female.

[BubbRubb]

I was actually just thinking this as I was doing the quest to kill Red and Belly.

[YouGotOwned]

Originally posted by Alias8055:

well most people in almost every other game is straight so stop complaining

Most people in the WORLD are straight... which is why it's weird for such a large proportion of the people in this game to be gay. I just find it very odd that this sort of agenda is being pushed so much in this type of game - it really wasn't the sort of thing I was expecting from Borderlands. As I said, I'm cool with having some diversity, but this is just ridiculous, and not in a good way.

[Pan]

And Mad Moxxi shoving it in your face that she's had many lovers is okay? You only notice it more because you don't see it all the time. People shove it in your face about their normal love life but if gay people do the same it just stands out more. It's just a fact, really.

Basically point, Mad Moxxie is an example of how we do it normally, shoving it in our face but we don't take notice. Someone gay does it and we notice because it's relatively new to the industry.

I count 3 gay people in this game so far, 13 hours in. One of 'em is dead.

[marigoldMoths]

Originally posted by YouGotOwned:

Originally posted by Alias8055:

well most people in almost every other game is straight so stop complaining

Most people in the WORLD are straight... which is why it's weird for such a large proportion of the people in this game to be gay. I just find it very odd that this sort of agenda is being pushed so much in this type of game - it really wasn't the sort of thing I was expecting from Borderlands. As I said, I'm cool with having some diversity, but this is just ridiculous, and not in a good way.

by that logic then Moxxi talking about all of her sexual partners is pushing the straight "Agenda" in a bad way

[troublmaker]

Originally posted by Žombie Killêr! Mægic!™ P.C>:

these are current social issues facing Australia and New Zealand

Are you sure?

According to this Wikipedia article on the topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_New_Zealand#Discrimination

It's not a current social issue in Australia and New Zealand.

The way in which it is done in the game is really off. It's not like they're trying to come out and say homosexuality is normal and prevalent, quite the opposite. All the gay characters in the game are real oddballs.

The first gay character you meet is a tad bit crazy. The second one you meet is hyper anti-social and taking it out on society. The third one is obsessed with one person and uses the lamest approaches to try and woo said person. Then you get to the last gay man and it's just way over the top.

If anything they've created homosexuals as cartoon characters.

[Veya]

There are 4 relevant homosexual characters, Janey, Hammerlock(who we already knew was gay since BL2), Athena(very heavy implication, as in all but flat-out stated) and Nakamura, 5 if you count Rose from that sidequest, not really that many, plus Nakamura may not be homosexual, and just Jacksexual.

For straight characters we have Jack, Nisha, Claptrap(he shows interest into Felicity, specifically a female AI, and seems to have a male personality), the Meriff, Roland, Lilith, Nurse Nina, and probably a few others.

If anything, about 30% of the cast is homosexual, and honestly, I like it, maybe the abundance is too much, but the way said characters are represented is actually quite well done, and hardly all in good light(Nakamura is a flat-out stalker, for example, and Rose is shown to be very psychotic), and honestly, I don't see it as "announce it every time you meet them", they comment it on the side, the only one that is really in the face is Janey if you are playing Athena, and that's because Janey is a really awkward flirt.

[Karakasa]

I'm pretty sure they never implied Athena was gay. She WAS taken captive by what was basically a gay badit group (which I'll admit I forgot about.), and she actually seemed to find talking about boys with them pretty pleasent. Otherwise she seems more socially akward, the little time I've played with her so far hasn't shown her to have any sexual prefrence/her not exactly wanting to talk about Spring's attraction to her.

Edit: Saw the thing about Athena apparently fooling around with Springs or something, I have not beaten TVHM though so I'll see when I get there I guess.