Handsome Jack the Human

[Mandrake109]

What is with devs these days? Jack was meant to be hated by the end of the game but now you going to make him a character that we can sympathize with (to some extent). Why what good will it do? The last time a game company pulled this stunt that I know of was Dead Island Rydey White DLC I HATED it because of how it made him human. Now Gearbox is doing it. This is all a irrelevant because I am most likely going to by the game anyway. Cheers.

[zverozvero]

SC2 made 'plottwist' reducing notorious Overmind, that consumed his creators and ravaged stars to puppet, slave and martyr... yep SC2 plot is a total b----.

However new characters of pre-sequel dont feel like idealists or samaritans (nor like previous 'mercs' are saint, but compared :) ) so HJ shouldn't be That sugary sweet either. Just hope that he'll not be presented as noble victim of cruel world in the end.

[Mandrake109]

The problem is it that is the setting being described. Jack turns from someone trying to do good into the guy we all know and hate.

[zverozvero]

Well, he was speaking about bringing peace to pandora (by ripping everyones lungs and bringing to Pandora new citizens) all BL2 long, so if he'll start without mentioning part in brackets and closer to final 'll reveal details of his 'masterplan' it will be fine... But if that 'll be focused on him 'slowly loosing it' from angel to maniac under harsh influence of unfriendly world, that'll be lame.
Well, he killed Tassitar when he refused to give up his share of company, nailed Angel to chair, got rid of his wife, and if i got chronology right it was before or in parallel with Pre-sequel events, so his ways of doing good won't be much different.

[Mandrake109]

That is the thing the second plot you spoke of would be the most likely to turn into a game more plot to unravel. I just dont see ANYTHING good coming out of this.

[Space is the Place]

And TellTale game will short of be about Jack again.

I´m not worried about seeing the character transformation, I´m more worried that the popularity of the character consume him and we´ll have him playing a mayor role in the lore from here on, being his actions more relevant eventually than none of the achieve for the vault hunters.

I can see him being in the same position as Angel for the rest of the series, with Gearbox saying that when he died he left his conscience in the hyperios servers or he got trapped in there or some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like that.

Not a problem as long as it doesn´t turn the lore in Jack´s Show.

[Chicory]

Postat inițial de Space is the Place:

And TellTale game will short of be about Jack again.

I´m not worried about seeing the character transformation, I´m more worried that the popularity of the character consume him and we´ll have him playing a mayor role in the lore from here on, being his actions more relevant eventually than none of the achieve for the vault hunters.

I can see him being in the same position as Angel for the rest of the series, with Gearbox saying that when he died he left his conscience in the hyperios servers or he got trapped in there or some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like that.

Not a problem as long as it doesn´t turn the lore in Jack´s Show.

just read up on the telltale borderlands game, it mentions taking place after borderlands 2. how is this possible

[Mandrake109]

This game happens before 2 Not to mention the fact thet they set up an entire series of game at least 6+ more so we will see what we will see.

[Dragova]

Maybe we are getting worked up on a detail that may or may not get much attention. Gearbox is the kind of company to throw a lot of words around. I mean, they get pretty vocal over everything features and games. Lets try not to take them too seriously.

[Karakasa]

Well be the end of it the Sherrif is his girlfriend and Wilhelm is his loyal cyborg buddy, and Claptrap hates his guts. Athena is the only one who is an unknown at this point. If anything he'll probably be the good all Jack we know, just with two who are loyal to him, one who just wanted out of Atlas, and Claptrap who may be forced to work for him. Or just being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, its Clappy.

[Ozimandeus]

Postat inițial de JTL2+3:

What is with devs these days? Jack was meant to be hated by the end of the game but now you going to make him a character that we can sympathize with (to some extent). Why what good will it do? The last time a game company pulled this stunt that I know of was Dead Island Rydey White DLC I HATED it because of how it made him human. Now Gearbox is doing it. This is all a irrelevant because I am most likely going to by the game anyway. Cheers. :vaultkey:

*cough* Hicks didn't really die, er the Suluco managed to get from Fury to LV426, er.. Aliens dont attack you if you stand still *cough* (Welcome to Gearbox Lore Rape)

[Chicory]

Postat inițial de KarakasaSurprise:

Well be the end of it the Sherrif is his girlfriend and Wilhelm is his loyal cyborg buddy, and Claptrap hates his guts. Athena is the only one who is an unknown at this point. If anything he'll probably be the good all Jack we know, just with two who are loyal to him, one who just wanted out of Atlas, and Claptrap who may be forced to work for him. Or just being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, its Clappy.

Athena is a mercenary, meaning she isn't necessarily evil, just getting payed for her work

[zverozvero]

Same for most others playable chars really. Mercs that take jobs of killing with no hard feelings. Just depends on how far they can go with it. Willhelm and Sherrif can go far, as was in BL2. Dont think that Zero is actually saint either. Just got set by Jack in begining so mostly Jacks fault.

[Big Ben]

Because good characters are complex. The world isn't black and white. There is a grey area too.

It's praiseworthy that this kind of thing is being done.

[zverozvero]

True, but good grey character must be properly designed. Intentions are good, but if they'll fail it and Jacky will be total victim and martyr, it will kinda ruin BL2 flavour. Specially for ones that'll like to play story in 'correct' order - BL1->PS->BL2.

[Space is the Place]

I don´t know be people is still worried that "Jack turning into a nice guy" is a problem here, that may never happen.

Listen to Jack trailer, he doesn´t come as different, he´s still very cooky, very confident and is still seeing himself as a hero. The same can be said about Borderlands 2, Jack thinks that he´s doing the right thing all the time, for Angel, for Hyperion and for Pandora.

Jack wasn´t a villain to beggin with, or not at least in the sense that watching him doing some "good" would ruin his persona. And beyond that, he´s not doing anything good either, he´s sending mercenaries hired by Hyperion to attack Dhal (I´m guessing the moon bases we´ll be attacking are for Dhal as it´s Lore stablished that they were the big thing previous to Hyperion) and take all they have achieved. His goals as far as we know in this pre-sequel are not different from his goals in Borderlands 2, that is to controll everything since he believes himself to be the only one that can guarantee a good future for Pandora. As a very good example of what a dictator is.

My country was ruled by a facist dictator that people suported, Francisco Franco. Hitler was elected by the people to governate Germany. Pinochet, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini....All dictators, no matter how evil we perceive them, got as far as they got becuase they were initially supported, and even on their peak of "evilness" they got still strong supports on their sides.

I think of Jack the same way, yes, he´s the antagonist and is a dictator with a power lust beyond imagination, but in his mind and in the minds of the ones following him, he´s the "choosen one" to bring Utopia on Pandora, just as those dictators of our history were for the people backing them up.

There´s a very good comentary about political siding in Jack, and I don´t think having him being the one that orders the player the mission will change that or his portrail so far in the series. In fact, he´ll be just returning to his role in Borderlands 1, only that this time he makes it on face rather than hidding behing Angel.