Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel

Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel

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J4100 Dec 4, 2018 @ 3:28pm
About Anti-Cheat
Does the game have an anti-cheat system? And there are many cheaters in the game?

Who understands well, playing half out of season, but had many?
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Nakos Dec 4, 2018 @ 4:46pm 
The Valve Anti-Cheat (or VAC) system is generally applied to competitive PvP style games.

A full list of VAC enabled games can be found here: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?category2=8

The entire Borderlands game series are solo PvE games with optional co-op mode. As such, none of them are on the VAC list.

Steam does not enforce any sort of behavior regarding what sorts of things players do while playing any of the Borderlands games.


So ... yes, if you're playing in public games, you are likely to encounter people who are using hacks and cheats (including those running CE, which will earn an automatic VAC ban if you're playing one of the games on the VAC enabled list).

There are also save editors and various other methods of manipulating the game, including the so called Universal Community Patch (which is a mod that basically just makes the game easier).


There are also lots of people who don't like to play using that stuff.

If you don't want to use any cheats, I strongly suggest getting some friends who feel the same way you do, and playing invite only games with them. There is a thriving community that plays the BL games (in co-op mode) but they do tend to be friends, rather than random public games.

If you do play random public games, I strongly suggest making a back up of your save folder (the entire thing, including the Profile.bin file) before joining any public game.
Last edited by Nakos; Dec 4, 2018 @ 4:48pm
J4100 Dec 4, 2018 @ 5:45pm 
Originally posted by Nakos:
The Valve Anti-Cheat (or VAC) system is generally applied to competitive PvP style games.

A full list of VAC enabled games can be found here: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?category2=8

The entire Borderlands game series are solo PvE games with optional co-op mode. As such, none of them are on the VAC list.

Steam does not enforce any sort of behavior regarding what sorts of things players do while playing any of the Borderlands games.


So ... yes, if you're playing in public games, you are likely to encounter people who are using hacks and cheats (including those running CE, which will earn an automatic VAC ban if you're playing one of the games on the VAC enabled list).

There are also save editors and various other methods of manipulating the game, including the so called Universal Community Patch (which is a mod that basically just makes the game easier).


There are also lots of people who don't like to play using that stuff.

If you don't want to use any cheats, I strongly suggest getting some friends who feel the same way you do, and playing invite only games with them. There is a thriving community that plays the BL games (in co-op mode) but they do tend to be friends, rather than random public games.

If you do play random public games, I strongly suggest making a back up of your save folder (the entire thing, including the Profile.bin file) before joining any public game.

hear that other players who are using these hacks and etc ... can affect my game, is this true?

But then the game is let's say "open" for everyone to tinker, modify and etc?
Harry Rezn Dec 4, 2018 @ 11:25pm 
Originally posted by Juliana:
Originally posted by Nakos:
The Valve Anti-Cheat (or VAC) system is generally applied to competitive PvP style games.

A full list of VAC enabled games can be found here: https://store.steampowered.com/search/?category2=8

The entire Borderlands game series are solo PvE games with optional co-op mode. As such, none of them are on the VAC list.

Steam does not enforce any sort of behavior regarding what sorts of things players do while playing any of the Borderlands games.


So ... yes, if you're playing in public games, you are likely to encounter people who are using hacks and cheats (including those running CE, which will earn an automatic VAC ban if you're playing one of the games on the VAC enabled list).

There are also save editors and various other methods of manipulating the game, including the so called Universal Community Patch (which is a mod that basically just makes the game easier).


There are also lots of people who don't like to play using that stuff.

If you don't want to use any cheats, I strongly suggest getting some friends who feel the same way you do, and playing invite only games with them. There is a thriving community that plays the BL games (in co-op mode) but they do tend to be friends, rather than random public games.

If you do play random public games, I strongly suggest making a back up of your save folder (the entire thing, including the Profile.bin file) before joining any public game.

hear that other players who are using these hacks and etc ... can affect my game, is this true?

But then the game is let's say "open" for everyone to tinker, modify and etc?

Not exactly, assuming cheats are more or less the same in bltps and bl2, afaik there are "session only" cheats (such as infinite health/shield, super speed, super jump, rapid fire etc...) and there are also xp giving cheats which forcibly gives you xp aswell since in co-op borderlands all xp is shared amongst players (unless you revive someone) and the list could go on
Nakos Dec 4, 2018 @ 11:37pm 
Originally posted by Juliana:

hear that other players who are using these hacks and etc ... can affect my game, is this true?

But then the game is let's say "open" for everyone to tinker, modify and etc?

If someone is running CE and they are the host, then they can indeed modify your save file. Specifically, they can change your BAR, your money, your moonstones, and Golden Keys. They're also likely to drop a lot of stuff if they're doing that (by which I mean high quality loot). Some people think they're "helping" when they do that, and some just like to mess with people.

Once you're no longer connected, then your game is no more hackable than any other time. However, if the host of a game has changed the base values in your profile.bin file, then those values remain changed. And without a profile editor, it can be a pain to reset them, which is why I recommend making a backup before you join any public games.

Note that they can't do that if they're not the host, but their own characters might still be riduculously over-powered.

If you want to manipulate your save files, then a save editor will do that. Look up "Gibbed" (or Bordertool BL:TPS if you're on a Mac).

I don't personally recommend doing it though, because it's more fun to fight for your loot. The game is old, there are LOTS of ways to "make it easier" but "making it easier" means you get less fun out of it.
How idiotic you(in general) should be to use a cheats or hacks in Borderlands games... Shame...

Just play solo or with friends. Borderlands isn't about playing with random people. Thats all.
J4100 Dec 5, 2018 @ 11:46am 
Originally posted by Apollyon:
How idiotic you(in general) should be to use a cheats or hacks in Borderlands games... Shame...

Just play solo or with friends. Borderlands isn't about playing with random people. Thats all.

Are you directing this to me? If it is you are completely wrong and ridiculous by the way.

I am wondering about the anti cheat system of the game and about the community in general, and that I am new to the game so I am curious, Borderlands Pre Sequel is the first game in the series I play, I did not play 1 and neither 2.

Do not go offending who does not know or for "finding" that is doing something ...
J4100 Dec 5, 2018 @ 12:10pm 
And why would I want to cheat in the game? The game is not difficult and I am a casual player, I finish the campaign and the secondary missions and for me the game is over, and uninstalled. As I already mentioned I'm curious about things, even though I do not have the game installed anymore.
Originally posted by Juliana:
Originally posted by Apollyon:
How idiotic you(in general) should be to use a cheats or hacks in Borderlands games... Shame...

Just play solo or with friends. Borderlands isn't about playing with random people. Thats all.

Are you directing this to me? If it is you are completely wrong and ridiculous by the way.

I am wondering about the anti cheat system of the game and about the community in general, and that I am new to the game so I am curious, Borderlands Pre Sequel is the first game in the series I play, I did not play 1 and neither 2.

Do not go offending who does not know or for "finding" that is doing something ...
I'm not talking about you personally. It was in generaly about people who cheating.
J4100 Dec 5, 2018 @ 1:30pm 
Originally posted by Apollyon:
Originally posted by Juliana:

Are you directing this to me? If it is you are completely wrong and ridiculous by the way.

I am wondering about the anti cheat system of the game and about the community in general, and that I am new to the game so I am curious, Borderlands Pre Sequel is the first game in the series I play, I did not play 1 and neither 2.

Do not go offending who does not know or for "finding" that is doing something ...
I'm not talking about you personally. It was in generaly about people who cheating.

But it was not necessary to comment on that, because everyone already knows how bad it is to have cheaters.

What I am wanting to get and how it is "online" and does not have any kind of protection, as the staff commented the users can modify their Save-Game or game and so on. And what is curious ...
BobTheSkrull Dec 5, 2018 @ 1:55pm 
tl:dr, it's because Gearbox doesn't really care. You can't "steal" DLC via cheating (nor could you make your own levels/skins to replicate that of the DLC), so it won't affect their profits.

Like they said above, practically every hack available benefits the player in some way. Hell, the community patch is just one large balance patch that fixes bugs left alone by Gearbox.Trying to block every possible game modification would be a waste of time and resources that could be spent on BL3.

If you or anyone else is that worried about someone giving you extra levels or something, just make regular backups of your saves. That is one benefit of having access to them.
J4100 Dec 5, 2018 @ 2:28pm 
Originally posted by Mr Popo:
tl:dr, it's because Gearbox doesn't really care. You can't "steal" DLC via cheating (nor could you make your own levels/skins to replicate that of the DLC), so it won't affect their profits.

Like they said above, practically every hack available benefits the player in some way. Hell, the community patch is just one large balance patch that fixes bugs left alone by Gearbox.Trying to block every possible game modification would be a waste of time and resources that could be spent on BL3.

If you or anyone else is that worried about someone giving you extra levels or something, just make regular backups of your saves. That is one benefit of having access to them.

So until the time of this discussion here, I did not know Save-Game was on the computer itself, I thought it was ... I know it somewhere online Steam.

Because just like me and other newbies, as they would know this, they can make a very simple backup of all their progress of the game, because the game does not say "You can modify, back up your Save-Game on your own computer".

And I fool you, playing a game that has the CoOp function, I of course would not refuse to help, but the person is a cheater and modifies all my "game", putting me in the maximum level with maximum money and etc...
J4100 Dec 5, 2018 @ 2:30pm 
I thought that the progress of the game was saved in Steam because of what I saw, when I closed the game Steam synchronizing or sending something I know the
Nakos Dec 5, 2018 @ 7:01pm 
Originally posted by Mr Popo:
tl:dr, it's because Gearbox doesn't really care. You can't "steal" DLC via cheating (nor could you make your own levels/skins to replicate that of the DLC), so it won't affect their profits.

It's because it's a solo PvE game.

Yes, playing without cheating is better. But it's NOT a competitive PvP game.

Assuming Gearbox is being actively malicious is ridiculous. If you build it, someone else can figure out a way to break it. There's just no percentage in trying to stop cheating.

That's Game Design 101: It's not a question of "Will people cheat?" People will, no matter what. The designers question is: "How fast will they break this? How much can we invest in stopping them? At what point do we call it a day?" Because eventually, they do have to call it a day. Development dollars and development hours are neither infinite or free.

You can't hold back the tide. You do what you can, and then you move on to the next project. That doesn't make you an evil, uncaring person. It just makes you practical.
Nakos Dec 5, 2018 @ 7:03pm 
Originally posted by Juliana:
I thought that the progress of the game was saved in Steam because of what I saw, when I closed the game Steam synchronizing or sending something I know the

There is a Steam cloud save, you can enable that, or disable that. (Right-click on the game in your Steam library). The idea is that you can launch the game from various different places (your desktop machine vs your laptop) and still be able to continue playing from where you left off.

It's still a good idea to back up your local saves once in a while. Especially if you play online in public games.
SlackerBoe Dec 6, 2018 @ 8:26am 
Nakos is dead right there:always back up your local save.

I’ve found the easiest way to never worry about CE is to always host your own game.
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