Do you use banners?

[DontOpenDeadInside]

I noticed it replaces shields and prevents the usage of bows. This means in a shield formation the banner holder is the vulnerable soldier. He dies and the next guy takes the banner making him again vulnerable. Instead of being able to hold a shield wall.

Archers becomes melee, archer infantry this isn't such a bad thing. It's just one archer less. Mounted archers being melee means they will charge into enemies, die, some other mounted archer will try to pick it up and die or the banner and its buff is lost.

So out of all troops I think non shield wall troops and infantry archers are the only ones who could have the banner without it being a hindrance.

Now the buffs, do you think those are strong enough? And are some bugged? I have one that has "increased ranged accuracy" and it has the negative value of -0.08

[Grizzly]

cause i cant really see if they work, i cant really see if they are bugged. however if they work they are strong enugh. for example 10% less dmg to your units from ranged arrows. if thats a 60 dmg arrow on your low level unit thats 6 dmg less, may enugh to survive a second arrow and still not be down. genereally speaking you want to stack buffs anyways, so banners you want to use them with perks like extra HP. if a unit has 200 HP and not 100 the 10% are basically 20 extra HP for every unit if they would only get damaged by arrows.

i wouldnt be scared about 1 troop holding a banner when i field 150 units tbh and i do that kinda fast

[Kernest]

Yeah, they're obviously worth it, the more soldiers you got in a formation, the better the buff is.

I don't think any of them are bugged, they just might be worded in a confusing way.

[Urmel]

im not a math-genie, but this -0,08 could mean 8% better hit-chance, and this is between 10 and 15% more range dmg, depending what range units you have.

and jes, every banner is worth using it,
you have a extra item-slot only for banners, why not use it?

[HandsomeJack762]

Wonder if theres a mod where we could hang heads and scalps from the banners

[DontOpenDeadInside]

Originally posted by Urmel:

im not a math-genie, but this -0,08 could mean 8% better hit-chance, and this is between 10 and 15% more range dmg, depending what range units you have.

and jes, every banner is worth using it,
you have a extra item-slot only for banners, why not use it?

It uses the left hand slot basically. In inventory it has own slot but in combat it still prevents the usage of bows and shields.

[DontOpenDeadInside]

Originally posted by Kernest:

Yeah, they're obviously worth it, the more soldiers you got in a formation, the better the buff is.

I don't think any of them are bugged, they just might be worded in a confusing way.

Originally posted by Urmel:

im not a math-genie, but this -0,08 could mean 8% better hit-chance, and this is between 10 and 15% more range dmg, depending what range units you have.

and jes, every banner is worth using it,
you have a extra item-slot only for banners, why not use it?

When a horse archer suicides into enemies because the banner makes it the only melee in the archery group, you lose the banner into the enemy army and also lose the buff.

[Sabaithal]

Should have just done what the japanese did and have the banners smaller, mounted on the backs of certain soldiers.

Or FFS have them placed at the rear of the formation by default.

[redhongkong]

they are used in army i guess, small troop just waste of manpower XD

[WilhelM240i]

the banner was symbol of identity, family, tradition, fame, everythg. Why not carry any banner and why put it at rear of any formation? The banner carrier was a key figure and honorable position. Protecting him was other warriros job. Banner over live.Always. At least in real life. In our keeps here we still have captured banners from bloodthursty osman invaders that tried to enslave us 2 times. Even in ww2 the banners had big symbology for the military world.

[Sabaithal]

Originally posted by SP:

the banner was symbol of identity, family, tradition, fame, everythg. Why not carry any banner and why put it at rear of any formation?

Because if the banner bearer goes down morale plummets and the formation falls apart. And soldiers at the front are the first to go down 90% of the time.

No banner bearers in historical battles were at the front of formations unlike what is depicted in fiction for that exact reason.

[V]

It works fine for me and i also don't really sit in one formation for too long you can avoid these deaths with better strategy and making sure to keep an eye on the enemies movements and formations, flanking and so on.

[V Hubris LOL]

Banner does nor prevent my captain companion from using bow

[DontOpenDeadInside]

Originally posted by V Hubris LOL:

Banner does nor prevent my captain companion from using bow

Because they are not the ones carrying it. Like do you even think what is being discussed here? Yes you equip the banner on the captain but it takes only one fight to realize the captain isn't the one carrying the banner.

Originally posted by Hannah Dune:

It works fine for me and i also don't really sit in one formation for too long you can avoid these deaths with better strategy and making sure to keep an eye on the enemies movements and formations, flanking and so on.

Charge and Advance both makes a ranged unit go solo melee as the banner replaces all weapons with a banner and a sword. This means the banner is lost. It "works" for those who are ignorant of what is really happening.

For example if I tell mounted archer captains to take the charge as I have 7 separate groups, even if the AI works for the other archers, there will be two suiciders that will lose the banner and the buff. The only way for mounted archers not to suicide with banner is to lead them yourself and never order charge or advanced, just follow.

My melee cavalry have javelins so in their groups two also will suicide while the rest will be throwing javelins. The suiciders will have again a banner and a sword. The banner is lost and so is the buff. All types of usage of the troops will result the banner bearers going solo melee.

Now someone ofc will go "ooh you got too many groups", no, even if I had 1 horse archer group and 1 melee cavalry group the AI will be the same, because the banner replaces the weapons and the shield with a banner and a sword which makes the AI behave. The only way not to make the banner bearer suicide is to not use that group.

Banners only work well on infantry and mounted troops without ranged weapons.

[LockeCasual]

I was wondering where my banner is, that I equipped on my main character. I never have an option to pull it out, and it's not shown on my person in graphic. Is it just a passive buff then?

And yeah I notice my companions' ability are nerfed when they have banners. They still act like heros and/or cannon fodder, charging into the fray but with a banner in hand? I would prefer them to act more like commanders and less like grunts.

[DontOpenDeadInside]

Originally posted by LockeCasual:

I was wondering where my banner is, that I equipped on my main character. I never have an option to pull it out, and it's not shown on my person in graphic. Is it just a passive buff then?

And yeah I notice my companions' ability are nerfed when they have banners. They still act like heros and/or cannon fodder, charging into the fray but with a banner in hand? I would prefer them to act more like commanders and less like grunts.

The captains can equip it in the inventory, it appears on the non captains in the battlefield, one soldier per a group will equip it. As long as it is equipped you have a passive buff to the whole group. If the banner holder is killed it falls to the ground and you lose the buff till someone picks it up again.

The banner will replace all weapons/shield of the banner holder with a banner and a sword making it vulnerable to projectiles and on scenarios where a shield would prevent all damage taken. So basically that one per troop type soldier is going to be a useless one and on mounted troops will suicide, drop the banner among enemies and lose the buff.