banner knight vs elite cataphract

[DrwHem]

Right now i filed about 50/50 of these guys as my cavalry. which is better overall in your opinions?

[GIJoe597]

My opinion: Banner knight.

[daisyj201]

I think they're both good, but in my personal experience, the banner knights don't seem to die as easily, so I prefer them

[Action Man]

I usually see Cataphracts live longer on the ground (siege battles). Banner Knights have that couch lance charge which do a lot of damage.

Banner Knights require you to go to Vlandia territory to recruit, and they have fewer castles. There are a lot more Empire Castles for recruiting, but Cataphracts take longer to recruit to max tier, and require more horses.

[𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀]

Cats have better reach, but the banner knights are more consistent.

[WarPigs]

I think cataphracts have better armor but probably not as fast. However, I once got ambushed by a party of 150 vlandian bannerknights and slaughtered them by putting my 50 Fian champs in square formation. They shot and killed so fast that the initial cav charge was broken by their rider-less horses.

[Zeria]

Menavliatons are also good at butchering cavalry. They are good at everything despite not having a shield. I think it's the best empire unit...

[𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀]

Originally posted by Zeria:

Menavliatons are also good at butchering cavalry. They are good at everything despite not having a shield. I think it's the best empire unit...

Agreed. They got quite buffed.

[Zeria]

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[WarPigs]

Originally posted by Zeria:

Menavliatons are also good at butchering cavalry. They are good at everything despite not having a shield. I think it's the best empire unit...

ooo I gotta try em in a pikeline then. I use this custom troop creating mod to create Empire Line Women. Essentially a 5 tier Javelin throwing pike line that I put in front of 3 or 4 squares of Legionaries. Their final form is called "Daughters of the Empire." and they're tricked out with the golden solar masks, and gold lined armor with capes.

I wouldve given them a huge bronze shield so they could be spartan hoplites (that was my original design) but the games rudimentary troop sorter forces me to relinquish them :(

[Sabaithal]

Banner knights are SLIGHTLY better, at least at lancing. Just do a 200v200 in skirmish. The Banner knights will almost always win, but by a slim margin.

Also banner knights have better armor and shields, making them more survivable.

[Blax]

Originally posted by Zeria:

Menavliatons are also good at butchering cavalry. They are good at everything despite not having a shield. I think it's the best empire unit...

i'd say Elite Cataphracts are the best due to their versatility they're good infantry and good cavalry and usually end up racking up quite a few kills in large battles and sieges same with the Khans Guard

[𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀]

Originally posted by Blax:

Originally posted by Zeria:

Menavliatons are also good at butchering cavalry. They are good at everything despite not having a shield. I think it's the best empire unit...

i'd say Elite Cataphracts are the best due to their versatility they're good infantry and good cavalry and usually end up racking up quite a few kills in large battles and sieges same with the Khans Guard

I quite like Vlandian knights for sieges. Good shields and maces work well when you can create a breaching force with overwhelming bashing might.

[Blax]

Originally posted by 𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀:

Originally posted by Blax:

i'd say Elite Cataphracts are the best due to their versatility they're good infantry and good cavalry and usually end up racking up quite a few kills in large battles and sieges same with the Khans Guard

I quite like Vlandian knights for sieges. Good shields and maces work well when you can create a breaching force with overwhelming bashing might.

i need to start using infantry more every playthrough i always end up forming an army full of horse archers and cav

[WarPigs]

Originally posted by Blax:

Originally posted by 𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀:

I quite like Vlandian knights for sieges. Good shields and maces work well when you can create a breaching force with overwhelming bashing might.

i need to start using infantry more every playthrough i always end up forming an army full of horse archers and cav

horse archers are awesome. I love the khan elite horsemen. I once recked a combined force of 500 cataphracts + some 100 infantry using the terrain to my advantage: I looked at the map and saw a very small bridge over this shallow, shallow river. I put my 25 legionary infantry and 25 cataphract cav in shield wall facing either entrance, sandwiched my then 15 archers in the middle. THEN I put my 50 khans guard behind the tiny bridge (still in the water) in a tight square formation.

The enemy cataphract's charge was completely nullified by the surrounding water, and the bridge's tiny openings. When they tried to circle around and attack the khans guard, they got wrecked by either bow and arrow to the face, or glaives. That's why I love khansguard. The battle lasted 10-15 minutes and by the time infantry caught up, their cav was routed, and they then routed easily.

[Liro Raériyo]

I find that cataphracts are easier to maintain a decent force of, and since they can be obtained from a more central location on the map in larger quantities that they are absolutely a quantity AND quality type of troop.